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faarrk they look good.. now to get them painted.....

Okay so after lots of requests I have decided to run a back to back test between a bar and plate core and a tube and fin core. The bar and plate core was sourced from overseas, has internal offset fins, so is up with usual type being offered. Earlier bar and plate coolers didn't have offset internal fins but rather a straight pressed configuration. The offsetting of internal fins helps further the increase internal surface area which is so vital to efficient thermal transfer as well as helping turbulate the charge air. This is due to something called laminar flow which is another topic in itself. The tube and fin core being used is the latest offering from Europe with thin laser welded tubes and also an internal offset fin arrangement. Unlike many "extruded" tube designs which are rather heavy and are fast becoming dated. The bar and plate core measures in at 500mm x 430mm stacked height x 100mm thick The tube and fin measures in at 480mm x 430 x 100mm thick On the scales the tube and fin core is almost 5kg lighter than the bar and plate Bar and plate 12.5kg Tube and Fin 7.6kg The next most interesting thing is total flow area of the two cores. The bar and plate has 23 flow tubes, while the tube and fin has only 19. The flow area was calculated and I didn't expect this much of a difference to be honest Bar and Plate 107.525 cm2 of flow area Tube and Fin 178.695 cm2 of flow area This does become a very important factor in thermal exchange rates as it effects air speed throughout the coolers tubes. For obvious reasons thermal transfer rates are varied greatly by the amount of time the charge air spends within the coolers tubes to exchange thermal energy with the atmosphere. If the flow area is small then air speed is higher than that of a larger flow area where charge air will have more time for effective thermal transfer. Hope that makes sense Anyway here are some pics. This will take me a fair amount of time as I need to squeeze it all in between jobs. I will conduct a back to back test on the same vehicle on the same day with identical tanks on the coolers and keep the playing field as fair as possible logging before and after cooler temps, power etc etc. This test is not to be biased in anyway whatsoever as I am open to both types of cores. Each has their place and both have greatly different costs. Hope everyone can enjoy the write up

Showers...HTF can something designed to clean the human body that constantly has soap and hot water running down it get so friggin dirty every month.

I to joined the CMS family last week with 316kw and is over the moon. Looking forward to my first run.

I'm surprised any company actually wants to make performance parts anymore, so much negativity cast by so many.

You can't use a standard filter if you have a turbo side intake system which most people go for once you want to seriously think about modifying to the full extent. My preference would be to use a Unifilter which is oil soaked foam for turbo side intakes and the only reasons why is with my past experience with RC (remote control) racing with IC nitro engines we all used oil soaked foam filters and never destroyed an engine which is made of an aluminium piston and the sleeve was brass with a chrome (actually nickel I think) plated sleeve. If the filter was either forgotten or fell off then that's it for your engine and pretty much under 30 seconds of driving there is no compression... The only downfall to using foam is it would need cleaning more frequently but I know they flow the same as the K&N. I have always used K&N filters on my cars though but believe that the foam is the best aftermarket filter for turbo side intake.

there's a guy in the picture? didn't notice

Yeah I have been using my K&N for about 175,000km I'd say, 245,000km all up on the engine and it's still working fine. Not saying the engines will die, just questioning the efficiency of the K&N I'm using. Need real world specific results as you say. Dyno runs maybe, or 1/4 mph, though I don't think we'd see much difference unless the K&N was filthy (which It has been in the past! But I learned my lesson and clean it more regularly now). Muddying the waters though is how clean is my filter compared to a new K&N. Lots of variables that we can't accurately test without that expensive machine used on that nicoclub page. Cleanable filters do have the environmental advantage of not having to bin a filter each time, but who knows what the cost of producing the detergent and oil + packaging is compared to that...like a Prius that uses less fuel but has poisonous finite life batteries in it... Also I'd save time just buying a new filter instead of cleaning my K&N.

I actually really like the look of the front of the FG-X. I have not and will never be a huge fan of FG's. B-series are still my favourite looking Falcon, though.

Circa 2007 and what I said about the FG.... <- Please note location.. I've owned an FG for the last 4 years....

Great work Jon! Results will be interesting

you can never have too many pictures of your car... that's all I know

it just seems like every year more newbies come along and try to reinvent the wheel, same stuff over and over. I think Metricon ripped me off when they built my house, how hard is it to nail some bits of wood together and stick some bricks on top of each other

it will be good to see temp before cooler, pressure before cooler, temp after the cooler and pressure after the cooler for the same given time

Luckily you can take photo's of your own car anytime, eh

haha, you can tell it's a falcon... but that's about it

Some more pics of them on scales

entered my ute in the cooroy car show . we got there at 7.30 am ,but would have had to stay there till 2 pm for any trophies . it got to hot there so we decided to go home at 11am . forgot to take any photos of my ute but got some of the cars that were there

Here in Perth we have a lot of Irish people these days. The ones that have arrived in the last few years also have a bad reputation for drinking too much, with a resulting bad attitude. The taxi world hates them. Here we go again with the usual drunk Irish arrogance. Couple in their 30s. Not kids. The woman vomits and gets most of it into her handbag. But not all. I get them home, see the mess on the back seat and tactfully explain that they need to pay for some cleaning time. By law, that is currently $48.10 per hour. They refused to pay anything. Send them an invoice, they reckon. Ah, no... these things get sorted out and paid for at the time. The husband goes into the house, returns with a towel, wipes the food chucks off the seat onto the floor and reckons that he's now cleaned it for me. Total arrogance. Dares me to hit him (I had positioned us so that the taxi roof camera was filming us, so I was actually hoping that he'd hit me and cop an assault charge). I've explained nicely that I've done the right thing by them, including not kicking them out when she was vomiting 18km from home on a country back road (ie Waikiki to Byford). Nup, they've gotten home, gotten what they want and I can piss off. The bloke dared me to sue him. Done. Time to go brush up on the minimum requirements on what used to be the Small Claims Tribunal years ago. Reckon the car might have to spend the entire day tomorrow getting shampooed and steam cleaned (ie lots of hours before the seat dries x the hourly rate). Getting a few dollars out of this moron couple will be good, but putting a black mark on their credit record will be nice revenge. Forget about getting finance for six years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birthday tomorrow. Done a bunch of work on a previously crash-damaged Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo ute over the last few months. Did an all-nighter on it this week and now this thing is coming along real nicely. Figured I'd grab the KTM enduro bike and head down to Augusta tonight (where I grew up). Go find some of the old tracks that I used to ride in 1987 and get all nostalgic. Been thinking about this all week and am now very, very, very keen on the idea. Mum's birthday the next day (she died 10 years ago) so stop by the grave, etc. Sleep in the back of the ute at least one night. Aussie bloke ute & bike couple of days. Oh yeah. Better get the KTM out and do an oil change. Then I remember. This week I took the header pipe off to get chrome-ceramic coated. Not going anywhere today. Bugger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meanwhile, the Centrelnk Inc house next door is going at full noise. Four kids screaming at full decibels. Wishing that there was some sort of amnesty where we could commit murder on our birthdays and not get prosecuted. Lloyd Rainey (supposedly killed his wife and beat the murder charge) lives up the road. Need to stop by and have a chat... get some lessons. Maybe I should just do a letterbox drop for the street late one night, falsely alleging that there's a pedo in the street and to keep kids indoors? Nah, that wouldn't work... the moron next door wouldn't care. Fug it. We need an exchange program here. For every drunk alcoholic Irish f*ckwit that Ireland sends here, we send back a Centrelink kid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bloke who drives my taxi for day shift is moving house. Wants me to help. I’m generally a fairly helpful sort of chap. Except for helping people move house. Nup. But the XR6T ute is starting to run really well. And I wanna drive the damn thing somewhere. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On my taxi GPS (TomTom 730), I have all the fixed-location camera locations saved. I've then set it to make alarm sounds when I get to 250 metres from each location. Damn good idea. I have spare TomTom 730 that I keep for whatever personal car I have (currently XR6T ute). A quick flash of light on Thursday night reminded me that I hadn't added the newest camera to the personal GPS. Oops.

Self quoting for maximum points!Of course it f*cking rained didn't it...

Haha, I have the same "dilemma" if I just walk down the street here on a nice day like today.

Yeh I luv my VF, its fully sick...........

saw pictures earlier of an Iranian(?) bodybuilder using steroids and synthol. Even if he turned side-on he still wouldn't fit thru a door.

Now I know why I haven't binned my old rotors yet.

3 week break from social commitments. Last 6 Weeks has been bucks, wedding, bucks, wedding, bucks, wedding. Looking forward to staying home next Saturday night.

I cleaned my shower yesterday. Plenty of chemicals and a scouring pad on my sander. Why do women say it's so hard.

And that right there is exactly why I wouldn't do a night cruise with farktards that I couldn't trust 100%. Hope it wasn't that nice RS Edit...obviously not .

I cleaned my shower yesterday. Plenty of chemicals and a scouring pad on my sander. Why do women say it's so hard.

they really do love fresh fluid don't they? I had my tuner drop the pan at 80 thousands clicks and top up with martini fluid when the trans cooler went on. Did another dump at 125000ks or two weeks ago and it's feeling real nice again. I'll probably change it every 50 thousand from now on.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to weigh in with a technical opinion. I strongly believe the market results will speak for themselves!

Did you read the above link? I have a K&N and am wondering about it now. Here's a picture from the page. Note the red "Dirt Passed, gms" values. K&N is second highest...also equal second quickest to hit the flow restriction limit. The only thing I'd really need to see in addition to this is some sort of high volume flow test that represents the amount of air our cars suck when modified and under WOT. The page notes that the aftermarket filters "probably" flow more at extremely high levels. I don't drive like that 95% of the time, but it's an important 5% to me obviously. Maybe I should go to the track and run a few 1/4 passes swapping between filters!

VF has a Mazda 6 kinda of rear end. The FG-X will grow on people. Going to grab a XR8 in black and drop it and tune. Friggin awesome car.

Amen brother

the rear is generic enough for me. It's not as bad as the back of a VF, that's for sure!

I like the front also It's the rear I can't get used to

Washed it, f*ck I love a clean car

Yep, since tuned, does good skids

Had a close look at a vf Bogan special wagon yesterday, would bang. Really miss the sound of a v8

Not that I recall :/ I was in muzza bizza today and was gonna say hi, checked all the servos but couldn't find you

on the weekend I tested out the cooler stigmata fitted up to my car and although it was a lot hotter day than my last outing I ran consistently 3mph faster than my previous trap speed pb and also managed to sneak out a 10. ran the same crap street tyres and full weight. my nizzy cooler and stigmatas cooler cost the same amount...

WOULD NOT BANG ! Such a let down

^lol....dammit, I got word filtered.

^^ Problem fixed bam. I got lazy and didn't update the thread. I received the coils the next day after ordering. I couldn't recommended that company enough, they were great to deal with and by far the cheapest place for genuine coils. Norton Motor Group on ebay. Thanks for putting me onto them. I'm back to enjoying full boost now. I have to say it only took a few days of driving for me to get use to the power and get over the....''powwwaaaahhhh!!!!''.... stage. It started to feel not that impressive any more......than I was bored last Friday night at about 8pm so I decided to go for a lap to Kiama and back through Jamberoo, it was cold that night, about 10 deg.....and holy chit balls, its a different animal on a cold night......... Back to being very impressed again......So I'm thinking I'll just be behaving myself (within reason) during the day and wait till the evenings for a "SMASH MY DATE" run.

Jack it off daily. Do this for three weeks. Then when it's naughty don't. It will soon learn.

mine is the massive one at back. with a pillow you could nearly sleep in it. MASSIVE

How easy could you prove something of this nature. Not very easy. Because of the nature of this business, gearboxes are gonna break, most legitimately and one every now and then helped along. But the young kids of today having so much money from mining work in WA just cough up the dosh and don't question anything. The best customer around.

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free from nizpro????? that's funnier than cheap from nizpro haha

dropped off my tailshaft @ propellor shaft services today, going with 2.5" cro mo retube, once billet input shaft arrives and gearbox is in, she is heading down to WSID ASAP, anyones guess what she will run down the strip