turb06 Dark Knight Mafia Member No. - 666 Member 3,667 Member For: 23y 7m 4d Location: Toowoomba Posted 25/02/05 05:51 PM Posted 25/02/05 05:51 PM Having come from the awd turbo 4 community... My opinions XR Downsides-Big carbig lag ( comparo to wot I had )no down low thumpno 6k launchno handlingtaxi lookruns out of puffAWD DownsidesSmall carsome lagno torquecrap clutch'racer boy' imagelong drives are painfullXR upsidesroomycomfortabletorquepotential ( edit )manual is a good box, smooth and strongAWD upsides6k launches6k launches6k launches7.5k launches ( put your eyeballs back in...)Handlingbrakingdid I mention something about an awd launch?????Me- well I miss the awd for what it was and was glad to see it go for those exact same reasons. ( not the handling though.. )Horses for courses, what u gonna use it 4??<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have to strongly dissagree with you on the lag thing there, the xr6T gets on boost alot quicker than any turbo car I have ever been in before.Dazza.
F6 UTE - Track Bound EVO III - Member 3,367 Member For: 21y 9m 14d Gender: Male Location: Strapped in and holding on Posted 26/02/05 01:33 AM Posted 26/02/05 01:33 AM Have to strongly dissagree with you on the lag thing there, the xr6T gets on boost alot quicker than any turbo car I have ever been in before.Dazza.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Like I quoted, my experience is that my old car boosted at 1500rpm, 17 psi @ 2200rpm untill 8k redline..different car, better response than a 't' anyday of the week..I'll leave it at that.
geea Site protagonist Legacy Donating Member 4,320 Member For: 23y 4m 18d Gender: Male Location: At the lights, waiting for you. Posted 26/02/05 01:40 AM Posted 26/02/05 01:40 AM Have to strongly dissagree with you on the lag thing there, the xr6T gets on boost alot quicker than any turbo car I have ever been in before.Dazza.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Like I quoted, my experience is that my old car boosted at 1500rpm, 17 psi @ 2200rpm untill 8k redline..different car, better response than a 't' anyday of the week..I'll leave it at that.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm thinking that your old car wasn't completely standard. If that's the case it's not really a fair comparison. My car which isn't standard comes on boost very early too and has no noticable lag. I don't think any reasonable person would say thatbthe XR6T has a lag problem compared to any of the smaller engined Turbos.Geea. :tosser:
turb06 Dark Knight Mafia Member No. - 666 Member 3,667 Member For: 23y 7m 4d Location: Toowoomba Posted 26/02/05 02:10 AM Posted 26/02/05 02:10 AM Have to strongly dissagree with you on the lag thing there, the xr6T gets on boost alot quicker than any turbo car I have ever been in before.Dazza.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Like I quoted, my experience is that my old car boosted at 1500rpm, 17 psi @ 2200rpm untill 8k redline..different car, better response than a 't' anyday of the week..I'll leave it at that.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>What sort of car was it, I dont think you mentioned.Dazza.
bcl Toughest BA Turbo Legacy Donating Member 3,408 Member For: 23y 9m 5d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 26/02/05 04:30 AM Posted 26/02/05 04:30 AM Having come from the awd turbo 4 community... My opinions XR Downsides-Big carbig lag ( comparo to wot I had )no down low thumpno 6k launchno handlingtaxi lookruns out of puffAWD DownsidesSmall carsome lagno torquecrap clutch'racer boy' imagelong drives are painfullXR upsidesroomycomfortabletorquepotential ( edit )manual is a good box, smooth and strongAWD upsides6k launches6k launches6k launches7.5k launches ( put your eyeballs back in...)Handlingbrakingdid I mention something about an awd launch?????Me- well I miss the awd for what it was and was glad to see it go for those exact same reasons. ( not the handling though.. )Horses for courses, what u gonna use it 4??<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have to strongly dissagree with you on the lag thing there, the xr6T gets on boost alot quicker than any turbo car I have ever been in before.Dazza.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Many people talk about rexes as if they're all the same: there are broadly 4 different groups of rexes:1. 96 and earlier: easy to mod; bigger turbo; modified with exhaust and boost they go very well 2 97-00 smaller 'old shape' and lighter; many of these on the road (98 version the fastest stock)3. 01-02 bug eyed heavy slugs; no bragging rights if you beat a 01 (that has a poor gearing); if your stock can't beat a stock 01 hang your head in shame4. 03-05 with variable valve timing, these will boost a lot quicker than the Ford T (I know because at one stage I had a stock MY03 and Ford T and drove them back to back all the time) 0-100k the rex marginally quicker; The rex also runs higher compression 9.0-1, making them feel more responsive.The Ford has better mid-range and top end torque. Brian
turb06 Dark Knight Mafia Member No. - 666 Member 3,667 Member For: 23y 7m 4d Location: Toowoomba Posted 26/02/05 11:50 AM Posted 26/02/05 11:50 AM Having come from the awd turbo 4 community... My opinions XR Downsides-Big carbig lag ( comparo to wot I had )no down low thumpno 6k launchno handlingtaxi lookruns out of puffAWD DownsidesSmall carsome lagno torquecrap clutch'racer boy' imagelong drives are painfullXR upsidesroomycomfortabletorquepotential ( edit )manual is a good box, smooth and strongAWD upsides6k launches6k launches6k launches7.5k launches ( put your eyeballs back in...)Handlingbrakingdid I mention something about an awd launch?????Me- well I miss the awd for what it was and was glad to see it go for those exact same reasons. ( not the handling though.. )Horses for courses, what u gonna use it 4??<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have to strongly dissagree with you on the lag thing there, the xr6T gets on boost alot quicker than any turbo car I have ever been in before.Dazza.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Many people talk about rexes as if they're all the same: there are broadly 4 different groups of rexes:1. 96 and earlier: easy to mod; bigger turbo; modified with exhaust and boost they go very well 2 97-00 smaller 'old shape' and lighter; many of these on the road (98 version the fastest stock)3. 01-02 bug eyed heavy slugs; no bragging rights if you beat a 01 (that has a poor gearing); if your stock can't beat a stock 01 hang your head in shame4. 03-05 with variable valve timing, these will boost a lot quicker than the Ford T (I know because at one stage I had a stock MY03 and Ford T and drove them back to back all the time) 0-100k the rex marginally quicker; The rex also runs higher compression 9.0-1, making them feel more responsive.The Ford has better mid-range and top end torque. Brian<{POST_SNAPBACK}>But based on that Brian, you couldnt say the T has big lag even compared to the VVT model rex's, I would assume there is also a better quality turbo in the newer cars to the older ones.Dazza.
bcl Toughest BA Turbo Legacy Donating Member 3,408 Member For: 23y 9m 5d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 26/02/05 10:25 PM Posted 26/02/05 10:25 PM But based on that Brian, you couldnt say the T has big lag even compared to the VVT model rex's, I would assume there is also a better quality turbo in the newer cars to the older ones.Dazza.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes I can; I've owned & driven both back to back.Technically, as both don't have a boost gauge I can't say how quickly both come on boost. But as far as launching the car goes the 03 rex with the combination of ecu changes and awd make it much easier to get going. Once going the Fords abundant torque gives it superiority.Brian
TurboDewd FG Falcon fan! Member 1,452 Member For: 23y 2m 23d Gender: Male Location: Canberra Posted 26/02/05 10:55 PM Posted 26/02/05 10:55 PM XRT UTE,I think you have a chip on ya shoulder...your comparo is odd.XR Downsides-Big car (huh? the Falcon is meant to be big so it seats 5 easily!)big lag (garbage! XR6T has the least lag of any turbo car Ive driven)no down low thump (XR6T's smooth power delivery is a negative?!)no 6k launch (so?! If my car can = a WRX 0-100kmh who cares how its done)no handling (well, less compared to a WRX)taxi look (vaguely)runs out of puff (meaning?!)AWD DownsidesSmall car (I dont think this is a downside if its what you seek)some lag (I agree, small engines+turbo = lag)no torque (well, less compared to the XR6T anyway)crap clutch (after several 6k launches Id expect something to give)'racer boy' image (depends how the car is done up)long drives are painfull (well, not as comfy as an XR6T, agreed)XR upsidesroomycomfortabletorquepotentialmanual is a good box, smooth and strong (the auto works even better imho)AWD upsides6k launches (this isnt necessarily a good thing)7.5k launches ( put your eyeballs back in...)Handling braking did I mention something about an awd launch?????
Geeseman Legacy Donating Member 1,805 Member For: 22y 11m 2d Location: Sydney Posted 26/02/05 11:11 PM Posted 26/02/05 11:11 PM phase iii example. 18psi@2700rpmlag? What's that
bcl Toughest BA Turbo Legacy Donating Member 3,408 Member For: 23y 9m 5d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 27/02/05 03:21 AM Posted 27/02/05 03:21 AM phase iii example. 18psi@2700rpmlag? What's that :hiwelcome:<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lag for me is how boost comes on to reach max boost, from 1500 to 3500 in 1 gear, the main area being 2000-2500 revs. This graph does not show that.
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