V6 For Falcon

[macka'sxr6t]

Sounds too good to be true. Is it just me, but do we all really think they will twin turbo a V6. With so much downsizing and the changes in the market on large family sedans just makes me think this all rumor.

I think the motor has huge potential and doesnt worry me in the slightest that it will replace the I6 after so many years.

I'm sure if Ford don't twin turbo it, someone surely will. The yanks will have a few years to play with the concept. As long as ford have engineered the engine for forced induction with a descent bottom end and stong block all shoud be good.

Oh lets hope they make enough room for dirty big cams

macka

[tquarrell]

I think ford are using twin turbo's as a substitute for displacement, ie to get similar outputs from 6 cylinders rather than 8, without the friction losses off boost. Makes snse to me, but who knows

[F6_Charlie]

It all sounds good, only bad thing is we are talkin about something that's not gonna happen till around 2010, so lets hope some people from ford are on here reading all this and they get it right by then

[XtRmn8]

Have some of you blokes been living under a rock for the past few weeks? There have been a number of articles posted and media statements released by Ford stating that they are in the process of developing a range of new Duratec TwinForce (Twin Turbo) engines, including 4cly, V6 and V8.

The 3.5 V6 TwinForce engine will produce 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 ft·lbf (542 N·m) of torque. do not recall the power figures for the V8, but I do recall that is will be 5000cc. The days of big cubes are gone and with the oil shortage and prices of fuel it is about time that companies look at technology such at forced induction to produce more efficient, smarter and smaller and eco friendly engines.

Have a look at the specs of this thing BMW 400nm four banger

[EvilDaifu]

Have some of you blokes been living under a rock for the past few weeks? There have been a number of articles posted and media statements released by Ford stating that they are in the process of developing a range of new Duratec TwinForce (Twin Turbo) engines, including 4cly, V6 and V8.

The new engines are being made in the US though - is it Arkansas (can't remember off the top my head)? Heard that they are not too good torque-wise low down in the rev range, need to rev them hard to get any torque performance. Not like the straight 6. Pity the straight 6 is being bundled out because someone has said that it doesnt meet an emission test. I read somewhere that the iron block takes just that little bit longer to reach optimum operating temp so that fuel is burned properly. Whereas aluminium blocks reach their optimum operating temp quicker. Those few seconds are the difference between meeting the Euro emission standards and not. Crazy hey? For that, we close down a completely good engine factory and also slug the associated industries with it - not to mention lose a bloody good home-grown engine.

[Evil F6]

Have some of you blokes been living under a rock for the past few weeks? There have been a number of articles posted and media statements released by Ford stating that they are in the process of developing a range of new Duratec TwinForce (Twin Turbo) engines, including 4cly, V6 and V8.

The 3.5 V6 TwinForce engine will produce 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 ft·lbf (542 N·m) of torque. do not recall the power figures for the V8, but I do recall that is will be 5000cc. The days of big cubes are gone and with the oil shortage and prices of fuel it is about time that companies look at technology such at forced induction to produce more efficient, smarter and smaller and eco friendly engines.

Have a look at the specs of this thing BMW 400nm four banger

Ford is replacing the Quad cam 5.4 with pushrod 6.2l engine in a few years. Back to the future.

[Barry Blue]

Ford is replacing the Quad cam 5.4 with pushrod 6.2l engine in a few years. Back to the future.

This Carsguide link says there will be another 5L V8.

[our06t]

Ford's TwinForce set to fire

TwinForce unit has the power of a V8 and economy of a six.

Neil McDonald

Get ready for a new Ford family of Duratec V6 and V8 engines called TwinForce.

Adoption of these engines means future Ford Performance Vehicles could use a single or even twin-turbo, direct-injection version of the imported 3.5-litre V6 and a new 5.0-litre TwinForce V8 with cylinder deactivation technology.

The TwinForce family of engines grew from Ford's existing 3.0-litre Duratec family. One of its first applications was previewed in the Lincoln MKR concept car at this year's Detroit Motor Show.

The Lincoln used a TwinForce all-alloy twin-turbo 3.5-litre V6 developing 321kW and 542Nm, which compares favourably with the current FPV turbo six's 270kW and 550Nm.

Though Ford Australia will not comment on the specifications of its future V6s or V8s, US Ford executives have said the TwinForce unit has the power of a V8 and economy of a six. They say a TwinForce V6 can achieve 20 per cent better economy than existing six-cylinder engines.

The alloy engine has the potential to be enlarged to 3.7 litres for different markets. Mazda's new CX-9 will use a 3.7-litre version when it goes on sale later in the year.

Ford's group vice-president, global product development, Derrick Kuzak, says TwinForce engine technology is a key element of “how we're going after fuel economy gains without asking anyone to give up performance”.

Apart from the twin-turbo V6, Ford has a standard 3.5-litre that develops 198kW and 339Nm but can reach 224kW once such features as direct injection are added.

Direct fuel injection, already used on some Japanese and European performance cars, monitors fuel flow into the cylinders more precisely, resulting in lower emissions.

Technologies for the twin turbocharging system were developed in co-operation with Volvo.

The direct-injection system is a joint development between Ford and Bosch, based on Bosch DFI systems already in production.

The engine is capable of operating on any mix of E85 ethanol and premium petrol.

Ford is also working on new dual-clutch six-speed gearboxes called Powershift, which will be used with the new engines.

The gearboxes were developed in conjunction with Getrag.

The Mercury

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[gilfxr6t]

on paper it looks good, pitty all of the power will come on after 4000rpm which dosnt work with a 2000kg car. The only way this motor will be any good is if it redlines at 7.5rpm. while driving around in an old corolla at 6000rpm all day can be fun its not very falcon like.

[Venom XR6]

The new engines are being made in the US though - is it Arkansas (can't remember off the top my head)? Heard that they are not too good torque-wise low down in the rev range, need to rev them hard to get any torque performance. Not like the straight 6. Pity the straight 6 is being bundled out because someone has said that it doesnt meet an emission test. I read somewhere that the iron block takes just that little bit longer to reach optimum operating temp so that fuel is burned properly. Whereas aluminium blocks reach their optimum operating temp quicker. Those few seconds are the difference between meeting the Euro emission standards and not. Crazy hey? For that, we close down a completely good engine factory and also slug the associated industries with it - not to mention lose a bloody good home-grown engine.

Has nothing to do with emissions, it could be made to pass Euro IV quite easily, it just requires money Ford don't have. When you spread those R&D dollars over 60,000 odd engines its quite expensive, or do you spread those R&D costs over 1 million engines, as the Ohio plant will be making that many per year by 2010. Simply as that. There's no reason why the Barra couldn't pass future emissions standards bar money, its just not cost effective.