Reviews Of Kpm 1000Hp Intank

[MattyP]

I dunno I always thought surges at most people's power level was unnecessary

Imo it makes it more prone to failure

I mean think about an exposed fuel pump or two underneath your car still feeding from a stock pump.. just so much more to go wrong.

I think they filled the gap for a while and they were necessary because there was no other way to get adequate fuelling above 400 and most people who mod there turbos love them to bits and truly believe they are the safest thing to do to their car fuel wise. But this is not the case anymore

I've had a few people get genuinely angry at me for saying that and saying I am encouraging people to take risks with their cars and it's my fault they blow up.

We have always done it this way is a dangerous way of thinking

[Peppy_t92]

Exactly! But I guess it just one of those things, as a business your never going to let people just scrape by, your always going to suggest ways to keep it as safe as possible so it can't come back and make you look bad, and these surge tanks were the only thing around to use. That's just my opinion

I ran a 400lt intank at around 360rwkw, it would surge under 1/4 tank in 3rd and up, but that didn't bother me, I kept it over 1/4 tank...

KPM use the 460lt walbro in the single pump setup and modify the pot which is supposed to have zero surge also.. That would suit 80% of falcons these days rather then getting the surge tank..

Anyway, I'm very excited to receive my new investment/insurance haha

[MattyP]

Yeah peppy that's to true bud

A Walbro 460 is good for 400rwkw on e85 and still have some left in it

I just don't see why people hate on in tanks so much

Just one of those things I suppose

[Bizkets is Drunk?]

What would the 460 be good for roughly on 98

[MattyP]

Mid 400s easily

[KPM Motorsport]

I dunno I always thought surges at most people's power level was unnecessary

Imo it makes it more prone to failure

I mean think about an exposed fuel pump or two underneath your car still feeding from a stock pump.. just so much more to go wrong.

I think they filled the gap for a while and they were necessary because there was no other way to get adequate fuelling above 400 and most people who mod there turbos love them to bits and truly believe they are the safest thing to do to their car fuel wise. But this is not the case anymore

I've had a few people get genuinely angry at me for saying that and saying I am encouraging people to take risks with their cars and it's my fault they blow up.

We have always done it this way is a dangerous way of thinking

You are correct in every aspect.

As a company that strives to supply correctly engineered components and packages , we recieve a lot negative and biased feedback. Almost every occasion it has been through not understanding the workings and principals needed to run an properly engineered intank fuel system.

Our Petrol intank fuel systems have been 100% perfect in operation since release and delivered as per specs on every occasion.

Much has been made of E85 blowing the hoses in 2 only off our very first units. This was also the case in many surge tank systems, utilising the same so called E85 hoses.

After much testing of various supplier hoses we have since found a 100% suitable hose and has been used in our E85 systems for over a year with no issue.

As per Bosch E85 fuel pump tests we have also found pumps utilised have been rated at 500 hours constant E85 usage.

Usage with flex fuel has proven to be without issue .

As mentioned this sytem is a 100% performance replacemant for the standard fuel module to support up to 1000 Hp.

Our recommendations are

• Petrol suitable without restriction
• Flex fuel usage without restriction
• E26/E85 fuel run time max 500 hours

[Buf-Phoon]

Intank V surge, some interesting points raised , all of which make some sense.

I'm no engineer but over the past 10 years owning T6 powered cars I have made some

amateur observations.

Fuel starvation has been an historical issue in modded cars with low fuel levels.

Walbro intanks were often seen to deliver surge characteristics and are often

supplemented by a surge set up as a compromise/fail safe

A few logical points make sense to me

-an intank still must feed the surge tank.

-the more variables between the tank and ignition offers more opportunity for component failure.

-I am interested in Trana's point about cooking fuel due to location of surge tanks and it's impacts

on fuels at high performance levels V a couple of quick pulls on a Dyno from normal operating

temperature. Love to see some "facts"on this.

The higher the fuel temp the noisier the pump on my surge set up gets, therefor you begin to question what is

happening down the line

I have an idiom " do what you always did you can only get what you always got"

Hence tuners etc invest in R&D to build a better mouse trap.

I think it's called progress, These engines and management have come such a long way.

Chiptorque, APS et al had to start somewhere with modding capabilities.albeit now obsolete

but was best available at a point in time

[MattyP]

I have an idiom " do what you always did you can only get what you always got"

If we have this line of thinking we will never progress with our cars

They will never get safer, never get faster and will never be more reliable

Surges while necessary in incredibly high horsepower applications have become obsolete at "average" power levels in our T's

you will always need the correct pump for your level and supporting modifications such as a regulator. And I think that's where some people have gone Wrong. They've gone for example a dw300 for 380rwkw on e85 (I did this for one Dyno run) and that's where you get into trouble. If I had gone a 460 with a reg it would have been perfect.

I'll admit I am relatively new to this modding xr6t world but I must admit the falcon tuning crowd are obsessed with surges compared to the import crowd

[Ralph Wiggum]

but I must admit the falcon tuning crowd are obsessed with surges compared to the import crowd

Obsessed might a strong term. Considering the restriction around the stock swirl pot design in BAI/II abd BFI it's hardly surprising for quite some time external surge tanks where the common solution.

How many import guys do you know that are willing to swap in fuel tanks from later models? (I'm not knocking this as a solution, just for most this may seem a tad more drastic than adding a bolt on external surge)

[MattyP]

Swap in fuel tanks? Never heard of it

I know I'm the celica world a supra fuel pump swap is very common

Like I said considering the reaction I got from a lot of people when they find out I don't run a surge at 400rwkw it seems a bit obsessive