Interesting video Ratter..

Can anyone answer whether or not Australian ethanol blends are bowser mixed? I was under the impression they were pre-mixed at the refinery and used additives to ensure they stayed mix and didn't separate?

phase seperation apparantly happens with all ethanol fuels.

That's a scary thought mate..

What's your take on it then?

Don't use anything other then 98?

98 is safer for somebody that has no idea or very little time or care factor, E85 has proven to give great results in some cars if set up correctly, but there are too many unknowns re our cars and their ability to handle E85 over a long period of time.

Way to many people are quick to praise it and tell everybody how good it is but tend to look away from the negatives.

On our XR6T's it is proven we can make more power on it, it does not make our engines any safer but it is more knock resistant which some consider that safer, but I guess in 1 way it is safer because if you have 400 on 98 and right on the limit of the knock threshold and then make 420 but are nowhere the knock threshold then yes that is safer, but cylinder pressure to make the power is the same on the pistons and rods assuming there is no knock events happening so the piston and rods will still suffer

E85 for life !!!

Just about everyone running E85 with 400-500rwkw on 12mm headstuds are lifting the heads, due to a higher cylinder pressure. Mine was lifting, glad its fixed now.

Edited January 16, 201313 yr by xr6t_ute

Too much fear being spread. Car companies are generalising to cover thier back side. Consultant types, like in the video, trying to big note themselfs. Yes there is a risk of some of these things happening. But on certain "no e85 compliant" it's stil perfectly fine to run ethanol blended fuels. Infact in Australian all cars are covered to run e10. People just need to do some homework before selecting a fuel and the will be ok. We don't sell e15 here yet so the issue shouldn't apply. If and when we do sell e15, my only worry with most modern cars would be the potential for cars to begin running lean. But with how rich a standard tune on a car is these days, even e15 would probably be just fine. I might add, e85 fuel in Australia contains "anti corrosives" aswell.

In regard to the ethanol and petrol separating in your tank, it wouldnt take very long for the fuel in your car to have done numerous laps between the rail and the tank. This would effectively mix the fuel again.

that's my opinion anyway.

Don't think Mick is wrong.. Every motorbike company forbids any use of E85. Or any ethanol fuels. . It's in the owners manual.. Yamaha high light the fact as they did test with E5 E10 E15 and E85.. Found internal engine problems.. Will try and find the article about it.

Too much fear being spread. Car companies are generalising to cover thier back side. Consultant types, like in the video, trying to big note themselfs. Yes there is a risk of some of these things happening. But on certain "no e85 compliant" it's stil perfectly fine to run ethanol blended fuels. Infact in Australian all cars are covered to run e10. People just need to do some homework before selecting a fuel and the will be ok. We don't sell e15 here yet so the issue shouldn't apply. If and when we do sell e15, my only worry with most modern cars would be the potential for cars to begin running lean. But with how rich a standard tune on a car is these days, even e15 would probably be just fine. I might add, e85 fuel in Australia contains "anti corrosives" aswell. In regard to the ethanol and petrol separating in your tank, it wouldnt take very long for the fuel in your car to have done numerous laps between the rail and the tank. This would effectively mix the fuel again. that's my opinion anyway.

I agree, cant see much of a difference between e10 and e15.

Manufacturers are always looking to blame someone else.

I have just switched back to e-flex since returning from Surfers and the car runs so much smother and crisp, we need more e85 servos.

Don't think Mick is wrong.. Every motorbike company forbids any use of E85. Or any ethanol fuels. . It's in the owners manual.. Yamaha high light the fact as they did test with E5 E10 E15 and E85.. Found internal engine problems.. Will try and find the article about it.

Could it be because the bike companys fear that some customers that buy bikes dont ride them daily and only take them out every now and again which would mean the fuel would sit in the tank for a longer period?