MrBean

Hey Ninka, Thanx for the f/back I will have a chat to Simon, and see what size flapper they installed - it is a bigger one, as they machined the housing, but I will keep you posted. Now off to post your little thingy quickly, will send you a tracking number today in the afternoon.

Thanx for the feedback, and advice, appreciated

You are correct, the xhaust is a bit boomy, and the turbo-intake noise also somewhat crappy :( Only thing that detracts from this mod,and of course the wastegate flutters like there's a BOV open to atmosphere. You can take a picture of the graph with your camera, save it/resize as 600x800 jpeg, and post it - otherwise, email the std jpeg file to me, and I will host it on my photobucket account Off to offcie for a few hours, need to catch up after spending 3 hours at Nizpro, but just had to be there when they dyno'ed it. See you later. Phillip

Heya guys, Thanx for the feedback, I will enjoy her @ Brian: Yep, you are spot-on - I thought our graphs would be so very similar, maybe even exact matches, and it was so hot yesterday, mucking up all intake charge density, so there is a wee bit left, but, as discussed with you beforehand, I would be happy with the same power levels as yours. I realized the powerlevels at 3000rpm vs stock when I studied the graphs a bit, so yes, it is indeed quite nice and driveable. One should not be to sussed though, as I find that once you hit the throttle at 80 on the freeway, and she kicks down in Perf mode, she will loose traction. But yes, I am getting to understand the character of the beast, and getting a feel for throttle position in each gear to get max acceleration without breaking traction. At least better than the grocery-getter she was before - 50% more at the threads nothing to complain about. Brian, could you post your dyno-graph here, please use this same thread, then the guys can do comparisons and see that these things are very close to similar for the same type mods. Would be nice to have as a reference. I will anyway stick to this power levels, as that is about as much as the stock drivetrain will handle, with some degree of reliability. I have the same idling issue as you now, little low at around 600rpm, with the droning-thing happening there, so I will ask Simon to up it to around 750 or somewhere close. Take care, talk to you later. Kind regards, Phillip

Gotta luv that color - nice choice, and nice wheels! Enjoy the Beast

Ok guys, Got my UTE back this afternoon, making good power. Settled for a conservative 368rwkw, which I am happy with...for now. There's a bit more left in her, but time was running out for me, had to get back to the Office, so rushed the guys a little. Anyway, torque on the rear threads sitting at a decent 530 FtLB, which works out to be 718Nm on the threads, add 22% to that and it gives a healthy 875Nm on the flywheel. I will do calculations from dyno-graph though to get exact numbers, but this should be close. At least not a grndma UTE anymore, feels a bit better with the higher power levels Very strong in all gears, as expected, even if boost is build without to steep a ramp, but, as expected, the turbo inlet noise is quite...err...different with the K&N filter pod. But, overall a nice package, and certainly a sleeper. Other than std Nizpro stage 2, went 2 1/2" Xforce SS Zorst all the way to the tips, new Walbro intank pump, and machined turbo dumpvalve. hp vs torque rwkw vs boost rwkw vs lambda Enjoy.

Sounds to me you have the NAT function on your ADSL Router enabled, it is in reality changing your IP address as it routs through that unit, so that it is more difficult for the outside world to get into your pc via hacking etc. You can turn NAT (Network Address Translation) off for the duration of the file transfers, you can switch it back on afterwards. Most likely your problem.

Hehe - sounds like me.

IMHO, those are the best looking rims you could fit to a Ford XR/FPV. Jeesh...where and how much, if you don't mind? My Tornado came with the standard double 5-spoke 18" wheels, and I want to go to the Dark Agent 19" wheels. Just look so much better. Great job, you are one lucky man

Sounds great, Jabba - good power! Jeesh, wish I could have that sound on my Tornado :(

Great job, Allan. Substantial effort that went into this, enjoy your ZF 6-speed, they are fantastic boxes! Would like to meet up with you, and have a look at your car.... I'm in Doncaster East, need an excuse to take my Tornado for a drive And of course I want to gawk at your dual-zone setup, I am planning the same for my UTE - would look so much nicer with my carputer than this analog-type setup my UTE came with. If you don't mind, it would be appreciated.....if it's not possible, ok anyways. Enjoy your car! edit: Mmm...of course now I see you are from Perth, so I think not Silly me...

Well, so now we can probably see why these cars are so expensive, to have that magnitude accident, and still survive, let alone sit by the raodside virtually unscathed, is just testament to how well these monocoque cabins protect the occupants. Scary photos though, jeesh....

Guys, whichever way we look at it, this is still very impressive - we could debate if the UTE was factory standard or not, but even if it was not, which may or may not be the case, the small amount of mods that were done was basically not noticeable. So yes, even as a lifelong Ford fan, this is still impressive. To move a 1800kg (approx) vehicle to those velocities, needs some serious grunt. I am impressed. Just hoping to get a decent hardcover for my UTE soon after my mods this week, and will go to some private road out there and see if we can top that in the Tornado - which is not stnadard anyway, it will have somewhere north of 375rwkw. Anyone know where around Melbourne I could go to legally do a run like this? I can't afford to loose my license, guys, so it must be legal - otherwise I won't do it. Just like to see what it can do, and if we can at least go pass that 271kph Jeesh, we can't let a Expensive Daewoo Maloo beat a Ford

Hey Guys, you are welcome - it is always nice to share information, and there's lots to learn on this site Wrt my signature - well, something I read in one of my many Engine Books, either Smokey Yunick's Power Secrets or Blue Printing book or somewhere - will dig it up again. Unfortunately my UTE will get some chemicals next week, just enough roids to take it to around 385rwkw's.....I will run daily tune of 350 or so, and for extreme thrill flash the max tune... Unfortunately, that will have to do for now in my F6, need to assemble a decent bulletproof bottom end, like to do it myslef and not buy a pre-fabbed one. Will post back next week this time, then at least the 1st phase of my planning would be complete. Would be nice to get some action happening instead of this boring 230 odd rwkw stockie F6....

Shame Brian, soz to you and your son. Real tragedy, and bad for the bloke without insurance. Hope they get the bastards who did this. Seems organized crime also getting it's claws into Australia, which is such a big pity. What a damn mess. Hope no penalties will apply from the insurance company..... Good luck, Mate!

Hey Ninka, No problem Buddy As a matter of fact, I doubt the rods would be reliable at those levels, depending the rev-range and power available at those revs - if we make to much of our power down in the rpm band, of course the relative torque available at those levels will be much higher if we made that same power a few k rpm higher. So, depending on the tuner, and how they allow boost to come on, and where you make power, will depend how reliable the setup is. If we make 385rwkw at 6200 rpm, the engine may just survive, if we make the same kw at 3500, it definately won't - due to torque developed and force exerted on the reciprocating/rotating assembly - which conrods do both of.... Anyway, to be safe I will do the same as you, day-to-day of around 340-350rwkw, only extreme cases go up to 385rwkw - and only if you are sure this little extra may give you a win - otherwise it would not be worth the risk. At the end of the day, to be completely honest, I had a chat to Dave at Nizpro, will go for the Stage2+Extra, but will assemble my own spare bulletproof sub-assembly, as I am not comfy with those levels and stock rods. They are extremely long rods, undersquare engine setup, and will definately be the weakpoint in the bottom end. I may have a chat to Simon to sell me a set of rods and pistons, which I doubt they will do, real secretive, not even willing to share any information like piston-to-wall clearances etc, but ultimately people need to realize it is really those little things you don't see, which makes the differences. They can keep their piston barrell design secret, I just need to know clearances to install these pistons - even if competitors know the clearances, they do not have the piston design, so it won't help them.... But, to each his own, I will do this upgrade for now, and assemble my own bottom end, even if I have to contact JE in the states to do custom pistons, and then order rods from the USA too, maybe Manleys or Carillos or some good quality H-Beam rod. At least some ideas for the future, and the reason I want to go down this route is cost. Manhours are really expensive in this country, and I am not willing to buy something worth $10k, but end up spending $18k just cause it comes pre-assembled etc. I will blueprint my own setup, for machining I will find a high-quality shop, same as what most of these suppliers do, and it should probably cost me 35-40% less at the end of the day. So yes, if they're willing to sell me a set of pistons and rods, good, if not, no train smash. I know what I want, and I will get it ultimately - one thing we need to realize they run a business, and they cannot spend the time assembling an engine they way I would like them to, maybe they can, but at huge cost. So, given, I have so much to learn about this 4L DOHC engine, my forte is 351 Windor-based Ford V8's, but, it is just another engine, and the mechanicals I will take care of - eventually. After all, I would still use Nizpro's knowledge in tuning this setup for me, as they are most likely some of the best wrt this specific engine. Will keep you guys posted, and start a thread once I get to that point. First need to find a proper seasoned block, something with 80-120k on the clock, and then do sonic testing to find a unit with minimal coreshift, decent uniform cylinder sleeves, etc. Soz for off-topic, just can't seem to stop talking once I start :(

@ KaiV6: I am taking my car next week for Stage2+Extras. a Standard stage2 should give you around 335kW average on the rears, if you hasve a baseline XR6T to work from. This will include a new airbox, new intercooler, new intake manifold, podfilter, miscellaneous bits and pieces, Capa flashunit with custom dynotune. Cost roughly $7,995- I go for the extra bit, which also includes the following: New stainless steel low restriction stainless zorst, including cat, twin pipes too the rear. New Walbro intank high-capacity pump Engineering of Turbo stock wastegate to accept bigger dump valve. All together, roughly $10,600-, give or take $100- here and there. This should bring me up to an average rating of peak 385rwkw, and the reason I can get to this levels without to much fuss lies in the fact that the BF F6 bottom end (read conrods) are substantially beefier than the stock BA XR6T units. Max power for BA XR6T with stock subassembly should not exceed most likely 350rwkw, with a substantial risk of reliability issues a this level. Even with my F6, I have requested Simon at Nizpro to do me 2 maps, one around 340-350rwkw as a daily option, and when needed, I can use Flasher to dump max perf map to my ECU, yielding a few extra rwks's, up to around the mid 380 mark. What car you have? Model, etc... Anyway, look at the link provided, it will point you to Nizpro's website, and their you will find pricing structure, component breakdown, etc. Always ask yourself - how much power do I want, how much do I need, and what you can practically use. Too much is not always the best, yoou have to somehow put all these little ponies to the tarmac, and that in itself creates unique challenges. Most likely something around the 290-300rwkw mark will be a significant amount of power to deal with, but not so much that it will question the reliability of your driveline - if treated correctly that is. Then, as a backstop, have a 325rwkw tune handy for those rare cases you might need it - with the idea that it exponentially increase the risk of you breaking something. Keep us posted. Kind regards, Beanie.

Why do you want to upgrade? Generally, when a turbo is sized for a specific application, there will be some extra overhead anyway, allowing you maybe 20-30% more power from a turbo volume capacity alone - in a badly sized application, gains may be more, or less. So, you have to ask youself why a bigger turbo? Realizing, you will need more fuel, thus possibly bigger injectors, depending the current duty-cycle at your max useable rpm, maybe bigger fuelpump, better fuelregulator... Then let's get to the engine...what compression ratio you running? Are the shape of the combustion chambers conducive to inhibit, or promote detonation. Pistons, conrods, crank, main bearings...can they handle the increased load? Brings us back to why do you want a bigger turbo, if the current one will very well suffice to boost your motor to the point of destruction?

Erm guys...it's called average torque output - forget kw's for one second, and let's look what a turbo do in reality - it's a torque multiplier, and a very effective one at that... So, when you compare your average torque spread through your powerband, with a NA V8 of say 5.7L capacity, you should kill him. No contest. Why - well, see it works like this - when you have a 4l engine, and you boost one bar pressure, in reality you have a 4l x 2 capacity engine = 8l NA equivalent. In our case with stock XR6 T, you are boosting roughly 0.5bar, or 1/2 atmosphere, and in theory you have a 50% capacity increase, giving same displacement as a 6L NA V8 - but, only problem is, you have the same peak torque than the 6L V8 NA Engine, but much higher average torque. That is why nothing NA in the same displacement range with same peak power levels can realistically compare with a turbo engine, with the same calculated displacement. So, a 4l turbo engine, producing 400kw and 800nm torque, doing 1bar boost at the inlet, should produce same peak power than a NA 8L V8, so close to 400kw and 800nm torque, except average power levels on the 4l turboed engine should be higher. I am talking no race-prepped 8L, just something like a std 454 big block, not exactly 8L, but close enough for a comparison. Hope it makes sense. Then again, it may not.

Hehe - you got me there Let that be a lesson to me....

Ok, let me re-phrase: Your engine has a bore x stroke x no cylinders to give a certain displacement. In our case, close to 4liters. So, how much liquid can your plenum keep? Anyway, depending application, plenum size do vary, you are correct, one of the great engine builders of all time, Smokey Yunick from the USA reckons for turbo applications the plenum volume should be close to total displacement of engine. This yields very good throttle response, and good reservoir capacity on sudden full-throttle acceleration, giving turbo decent time to spool up before a significant drop in charge pressure occurs. Anyway the close to ideal solution for road-race applications, final application will determine plenum chamber volume in turbo applications. Racing on twisty roadways with lots of on/off type driving will benefit more from a smaller relative plenum, and for constant high-speed (read rpm) a larger plenum will do a lot to dampen oscillations in intake pressure, and thus powerlevels. So yes, just my titbit, just wondered out of sake of curiosity what your volume was, since it made a significant difference in power levels, probably due to lower restriction, thus higher charge pressure realized at the ports, and you mentioned better throttle response, ascribed to the smaller plenum volume, ridding your intake system of the long lengths of piping. Most likely you will feel an immediate response of the line, big improvement, and then a quicker build of your torque-curve due to smaller volume to pressurize. So, average power/torque should have increased? Thanx for the feedback anyway, it is appreciated. Best regards, MrBean.

Good feedback, Billsta, thanx Just put down deposit with Nizpro an hour ago, roughly $3500, so my spot is reserved. Ah, now the waiting game starts. I anyway instructed Dave to give me a day-to-day tune of as close as we can get to 350rwkw, and a back-up "fun" tune oof say mid 380's, or wahtever we can get close to while still maintaining decent egt's or Lambda's of around 0.86/0.87 or thereabouts. For now I'll stick to the thin 245 18" tyres, as anyway wider tyres don't really improve traction that much, we should really be fitting narrower, but much higher tyres for a longer footprint... So, as long as she spins, we won't put much strain on drivetrain, and I will give her some time to settle before I get onto the maxpower tune. Maybe only use that for extreme emergencies Will keep you posted, now it's time to wait for next weekend, when I can finally have some fun - guess I could busy myself with the Carputer, and mounting of it.

Very nice and shazzy - beautiful setup, must pull real hard from way down. How's the box coping with the added responsibilities? But, all in all, if you didn't tell the laman out there, they will never realize this is supercharged, such a stealthy and clean installation. And yes, other than Lisholm-screw type blowers, this Whipple is probably one of the most efficient roots-style blowers out there. Great choice, enjoy mate, must sound fantastic. Of course, we all would expect at least a decent soundclip going through the gears?

Hey Robbo, Nothing as mean looking as a black GT - just gotto luv the color, and sound from that 5.4 quadcam engine - only thing I miss on my F6. Only thing I hate about your car are those real ugly 19" Agent rims. In fact, I think they look so fugly, I would really easily give you my much better F6 18" twinspokes Teasing aside, I recently got me a Lightning SST shifter from the US, if I knew you did "The Gearbox" locally, I would have ordered one from you. Would have gone well with my ECCi6000GTS and Nixim frame. Keep us posted on your car anyway, she's a beaut!

Nice car, have to luv those rims - jeesh - wish mine had them on instead of the 18" 's they put on the F6 Tornado :( Good going, keep us posted, especially wrt future mods... And congrats coming over to the dark side...