Hoon Laws..

[RHR]

Sorry to hear about it mate.. But as others have said you are very lucky its only 48hrs.. Three months here in NSW

[Kimberley Scott]

Hey Zedman, who gives the police their orders. Come on mate there is more to the picture than you see. Best avenue is to take it up withy the local member.

Scotty

[Headsex]

its 48 hours, then 3 months, then goneeeeeeeee on the 3rd offense here in vic..

sure, he could have let me off, but heck, he caught me doing whats illegal, his a honest cop, he was doing his job by the book, which I consider very fair..

Like I said, I'm not here to bitch, im here just educating my experiances with the rest of the forum....

although its 48 hours due to public holidays, it'll be wednesday morning..

Never mind, 1 day nearly gone... a few more to come..

Maybe I'll just lock myself up and play BF2142 all weekend

Dan

[Iconic Bionic]

Mean while the cops could have been chasing drug dealers, theives and other bad guys, but it was nice of them to stand there and look after you after like that.

What a joke!

Zedman

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Mean while the cops could have been chasing drug dealers, theives and other bad guys, but it was nice of them to stand there and look after you after like that.

What a joke!

Zedman

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They were chasing the bad guys, someone doing a burnout and driving unsafe. How terrible they went and did there job.

Yeah lets see them go lock up all those pot smoking drug dealers because its more serious than someone who runs a red light while drink driving and kllls a bunch of pedestrians crossing the road.

Traffic enforcement is just important as criminal.

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spot on mate some people have little to no idea how the police work and operate.. they think that every patrol car is out there to chase drug dealers and murderers. The cops have assigned roles and jobs, in saying that, just because a cop is doing RBT, doesn't mean he can't go and police another matter if its popped up or is causing problems. What do you want the cops to do when they see that type of driving behaviour?? turn the other way with their head in the sand and say... "he doesn't look like a drug dealer or a killer, lets pretend we didn't see that"

And out of interest zedman, how do you expect cops to chase up drug dealers?? stop and search every car they see? or every person that "might" look suss?? a lot of investigation has to go into that sort of stuff.. imagine how much time they'd waste stopping and searching everyone who "looked" like a dealer.. a lot more time then pulling some one over for alleged "hoon" driving.

Good on headsex for being open, honest and taking the rap like a man.

Bad luck anyways mate, unfortunately there's a lot of hoon drivers out there and the cops can't get them all, unlucky for you they were in the area

I know that I could have been done a few times no doubt, as I'm sure most on this forum could have too if their luck was up.. we're not angels 100% of the time.

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I understand that they were doing their job, but if the cops wanted to they could have happliy let him off with a stern warning or a fine for excesive noise or something like that. I am sick of the goverment revenue rasing crap that goes on.

For example, how much really has bringing in Double Demerit points saved lives. Road deaths are still the same every year or increasing and it does nothing but raise revenue. They only have them on Long weekends or holidays but the cops patrol 50km zones as they know they will catch people out. Who goes on holidays to a 50km zone street in a local suburb anyway.

Why not bring in a new law for holidays, don't speed and we will give you one point back on your license. No one would speed then.

These laws are band aid fixes, much like the hoon laws. Would they pull over a 90 old guy who was (accidentally) doing a burnout in his Late model camira in the wet, no, they would not.

If I was a cop it would depend on the attitude of the person that I pulled over. If they were nice and honest about what the had done wrong, then he would have a better chance of being let off than some Dick that was being a smart asre about it.

My point is, I am sure that the time they spent waiting around being nice to someone that did a burnout could have been better spent chasing a real criminal.

I will never forget the Police sign that I saw at Kingscross once, it read.

POLICE TARGETING - SEATBELTS.

I am dame sure there was more improtant things to target in Kingscross.

Disclaimer - I am not bitter about being fined or anything like that, haven't had a speeding fine in 10 years and have been in Turbo's the whole time. Just sick of the fact that our taxes pay for this and with the amount of tax I pay I feel I should be able to have my say as to WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING!!!

Zedman.

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Who owns and operates these electronic signs that flash these stupid messages, well its not the Police, they are owned and operated by the RTA, so basically they flash up whatever they like at random. I think we all know that although a sign might be saying seatbelt offences are being targeted by police, that old mate all over the road up to his eyeballs and wearing his seatbelt will be let off.

[YPURV4]

By the way tuff luck headsex, the worst part is you have one strike against your name and that means if you get done again withen 3 years of that offence you lose your car for 3 months.

I know your not to fussed about why he did pin you for it. but I think that's pretty week, I think you should of had a warning unless you were fish tailing down the road pooring off smoke its not likr you were doing at the drag's to show off or anything in front of a crowd of people that you could hert.

Oh well sh*t happens hey mate,chin up at least you will get it back.

Edited 23/12/06 07:16 AM by ypurv4

[Kimberley Scott]

FROM THE MINISTER FOR POLICE & EMERGENCY SERVICES

DATE: Friday, April 8, 2005

SUPER-CHARGED ANTI-HOON LAWS FOR VICTORIA

Hoon drivers face having their cars impounded or confiscated permanently under tough new laws to be introduced by the Bracks Government.

The Minister for Police & Emergency Services, Tim Holding, said the new laws – which strengthen existing dangerous driving laws – would apply to drivers caught drag racing or performing ‘donuts’ or ‘burnouts’.

“Hoon drivers are a menace. They’re a menace to other motorists, they’re a menace to pedestrians and they’re a menace to residents,” Mr Holding said.

“The Government’s message to these people is simple: If you drive like a hoon, you’ll get caught and you’ll lose your car.”

Mr Holding said Victoria’s anti-hoon laws would be modelled on similar laws that exist interstate.

Under the Queensland laws, for example, the cars of first and second time offenders are impounded, while drivers caught a third time face having their cars confiscated permanently.

Queensland requires police to seek a court order for impoundment for any period greater than 48 hours.

“Queensland police have impounded more than 1700 cars since anti-hooning laws were introduced two years ago,” Mr Holding said.

“The experience there shows that losing a car once substantially reduces the likelihood of repeat hoon behaviour.

“Only 22 of the 1739 drivers caught in the first two years of Queensland’s laws were picked up for a second offence. Only three people have notched up a third offence.”

In the nearly two years to November 2004, there were 41 ‘casualty crashes’ on Victoria’s roads as a result of hoon behaviour.

According to figures released by Victoria Police’s Major Collision Investigation Unit, three drivers and 14 passengers were killed, and a further six drivers and 35 passengers seriously injured, as a result of the crashes.

Under proposed new laws for Victoria, certain offences will be defined as hoon offences where a so-called ‘aggravating’ factor exists. Such factors may include drag racing, ‘donuts’ and ‘burnouts’.

Mr Holding said drivers caught hooning in Victoria would also face prosecution under existing road safety laws.

He said protections would be included within the new laws to protect civil liberties and to protect innocent third parties – eg. owners of stolen or hired vehicles.

[Kimberley Scott]

Slightly different - Response to Critisism

FROM THE MINISTER FOR POLICE & EMERGENCY SERVICES

DATE: Wednesday, August 2, 2006

OPPOSITION POLICE SPOKESMAN WRONG AGAIN – THIS TIME ON HOON LAWS

Police Minister Tim Holding today dismissed Opposition criticism of the new ‘hoon laws’, saying the laws were tough, uncompromising and getting results.

He said claims a hardship provision in the new laws somehow amounted to a loophole were bizarre.

“This is not a flaw or a loophole. It’s part of the law,” Mr Holding said.

“The hardship provision exists so that law abiding Victorians aren’t unfairly penalised by these unapologetically tough laws.

“For example, in cases where hoons are driving someone else’s car – and confiscating the car would cause great hardship – then police have a limited power to return that car to the driver.

“That’s right and that’s appropriate.

“But let’s be clear about just how tough these laws are. And let’s be clear about how police are enforcing these new laws.

“Police didn’t come down in the last shower. They know chicanery and deceit when confronted by it and they won’t be fooled by hoons.

“The results speak for themselves. Police have seized more than 80 cars since the hoon laws were introduced last month.”

Just one driver has so far sought to have his car returned under the hardship provisions. His request was rejected.

Mr Holding said the criticism of the hoon laws by Opposition police spokesman Kim Wells was all the more laughable given comments he made as they passed through the Victorian Parliament in November last year.

“Not only did Kim Wells point to the importance of the hardship provision, he actually said the Government’s proposal was too harsh,” Mr Holding said.

In Parliament on November 17 last year, Kim Wells said:

“We recognise the need to crack down on these hoons and take away their licences and then, as a last resort – after they have been reprimanded three or four times – take away their cars.”

“Kim Wells will say anything – anything – for a headline,” Mr Holding said.

“He’s either trying to deceive the public or he’s not on top of his portfolio.

“He doesn’t know what he stands for from one day to the next.”

Under the hoon laws, drivers caught drag-racing, performing ‘burnouts’ or engaging in other dangerous ‘hoon’ acts face having their cars impounded, immobilised or permanently confiscated.

The laws also apply to reckless speeders and repeat ‘drive whilst disqualified’ offenders.

“If police have reasonable grounds for believing a motorist has committed a hoon-related offence, they are able to seize that vehicle for 48 hours, either through impoundment or by way of on-site immobilisation,” Mr Holding said.

“Any driver committing a second hoon-related offence within three years will have their vehicle impounded for up to three months.

“And if a person is found guilty of three hoon-related offences inside three years, their vehicle will be permanently forfeited by the Court.”

Edited 23/12/06 07:26 AM by Kimberley Scott

[Kimberley Scott]

The WA writing, I cannot find the nation al writing. Still interesting read, if all states are simliar, you can get done in many ways.

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parliament.../Bill+273-2.pdf

Scotty

[SCRIBR]

that's y no body brought that menace colour that's talked about in another thread ah its too late for this crap

continue on...

[ZAP]

The one thing that really sucks about this law and similar laws in other states, is there is no provision for DRUNK DRIVERS.

For some reason the governmnets seem to pick on "hoons" and will take their cars, yet drunk drivers will keep reoffending and not have their cars taken from them.

It is not right.