...but the fact remains that bigger brakes will not stop you faster*

*(conditions apply)

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I just explained two identical situations... from speed v and stock brakes I stopped in distance d... with premium brakes and speed v I stoped in distance <<d - Same tyres on each occasion!

So are you still going to tell me that the bigger brakes made no difference?

Speed also comes into this, stock brakes will not activate ABS at 200km/h, no matter how hard you jump on them. Larger brakes may very well activate ABS at these speeds.

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Yes, this is implied in the Brembo quote and also in my previous posts. Speed and repetivity are the major factors.

I think where a lot of people with bigger brakes might be getting confused is in the different pedal feel a better system will offer. The brakes will 'feel' a lot stronger, probably biting earlier and quicker and requiring much less pedal pressure for the same braking power. The pedal will also feel 'firmer', especially if braided lines have been fitted as part of the upgrade. I imagine that, for the SAME PEDAL PRESSURE APPLIED, a better brake package probably WILL stop the car quicker than the stock setup - but all the stocker has to do is apply more pressure. Factors like these may lead people to believe that their bigger brakes will pull their car up quicker?

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I think you've summed it up right there oh "Sensible and Wise one"

So in theory, people who never drive at "high" speeds who still want better feeling brakes at a reasonable cost may want to consider getting some braded line (providing you can get them for stockies).

If on the other hand you think you might occasionally drive @ an irresponsible speed and want the confidence in knowing that your brakes won't let you down go the upgraded brakes.

So what have we learned today kiddies...........that's right..........

BIGGER BRAKES WILL NOT MAKE YOU STOP FASTER

........JUST BETTER

I just explained two identical situations... from speed v and stock brakes I stopped in distance d... with premium brakes and speed v I stoped in distance <<d - Same tyres on each occasion!

So are you still going to tell me that the bigger brakes made no difference?

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Not at all, just that either v was a very large number and/or you have some pretty special tyres.

I think you've summed it up right there oh "Sensible and Wise one"

Huh? Who, me?! First time I've been called that in my life!!   

So in theory, people who never drive at "high" speeds who still want better feeling brakes at a reasonable cost may want to consider getting some braded line (providing you can get them for stockies).

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Well, yeah, and another low cost but excellent option would be to go for the DBA 4000 series slotted rotors and better pads - this will give you most of what the premium brakes offer anyway and would be more than sufficient for most of us.

Speed also comes into this, stock brakes will not activate ABS at 200km/h, no matter how hard you jump on them. Larger brakes may very well activate ABS at these speeds.

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Yes, this is implied in the Brembo quote and also in my previous posts. Speed and repetivity are the major factors.

I think where a lot of people with bigger brakes might be getting confused is in the different pedal feel a better system will offer. The brakes will 'feel' a lot stronger, probably biting earlier and quicker and requiring much less pedal pressure for the same braking power. The pedal will also feel 'firmer', especially if braided lines have been fitted as part of the upgrade. I imagine that, for the SAME PEDAL PRESSURE APPLIED, a better brake package probably WILL stop the car quicker than the stock setup - but all the stocker has to do is apply more pressure. Factors like these may lead people to believe that their bigger brakes will pull their car up quicker?

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I think you've summed it up right there oh "Sensible and Wise one"

So in theory, people who never drive at "high" speeds who still want better feeling brakes at a reasonable cost may want to consider getting some braded line (providing you can get them for stockies).

If on the other hand you think you might occasionally drive @ an irresponsible speed and want the confidence in knowing that your brakes won't let you down go the upgraded brakes.

So what have we learned today kiddies...........Thats right..........

BIGGER BRAKES WILL NOT MAKE YOU STOP FASTER

........JUST BETTER

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Man you crack me up Steve.... lets all agree to disagree and go to the pub....

lets all agree to disagree and go to the pub....

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Now that's the best idea I've heard all day.

Hey Luke, is it your shout? =D

This thread is reminicient of the Forum of old. Go on tell me to piss of jube.

Scotty

Good debate guys.

Look guys I have told you all already, the damn plane will still take off regardless of the speed of the conveyor belt... unless it has premium brakes on it