Redhawk ....Time to lay this fairytale aside...... Legacy Donating Member 2,657 Member For: 23y 6m 26d Gender: Male Location: In the Ferry on the River Styx, not getting out just yet! Posted 08/09/05 12:49 AM Posted 08/09/05 12:49 AM An Objectivist Reviewby Robert Tracinski The Intellectual ActivistSeptember 2, 2005It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.The man-made disaster is the welfare state.For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September11).So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on."The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire...."Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders."'These troops are... under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense:75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.END. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a full blown Socialist, but it never ceases to amaze me how the bloody Yanks have got this thing about the 'welfare state'.Lumpen's comments should be good!!
plonky The Bionic Man - half man-half titanium Member 1,766 Member For: 23y 5m 27d Location: Dodge Scat Pack Posted 08/09/05 02:50 AM Posted 08/09/05 02:50 AM I totally agree with the comments made by that man! Apathy is a by product of welfare....why work for something when you are given it no questions asked.If the people behind accepted some personal responsibility for their plight then perhaps they wouldn;t be in this situation.
F6 UTE - Track Bound EVO III - Member 3,367 Member For: 21y 9m 21d Gender: Male Location: Strapped in and holding on Posted 08/09/05 03:15 AM Posted 08/09/05 03:15 AM It's easy to look at people, albeit a minoroty and blame them. 'McQuarie Waters' anyone? But who is to blame for the people? Are they responsible for there own actions? Is the gov't at fault for not controlling them beforehand? The parents for not installing values in there children? The gov't for giving them welfare, and hence and attitude?The cycle of society continues and it's easier to point the finger than to find a solution, for if there WAS a solution, well, there isn't is there..I wonder if there's going to be a concert held for the victims?
Redhawk ....Time to lay this fairytale aside...... Legacy Donating Member 2,657 Member For: 23y 6m 26d Gender: Male Location: In the Ferry on the River Styx, not getting out just yet! Posted 08/09/05 03:25 AM Author Posted 08/09/05 03:25 AM It's easy to look at people, albeit a minoroty and blame them. 'McQuarie Waters' anyone? But who is to blame for the people? Are they responsible for there own actions? Is the gov't at fault for not controlling them beforehand? The parents for not installing values in there children? The gov't for giving them welfare, and hence and attitude?The cycle of society continues and it's easier to point the finger than to find a solution, for if there WAS a solution, well, there isn't is there..I wonder if there's going to be a concert held for the victims?Yeah, I think there is one organized in California somewhere, Celine Dion is heading the list.....mosh pit will be alive that night!!
harvyk Member 1,070 Member For: 21y 7m 5d Location: The North Cooma End of Canberra... Posted 08/09/05 03:34 AM Posted 08/09/05 03:34 AM As the article stated, these are the ppl we would normally sweep under the rug and forget about... The trouble with these ppl is what do you do about them...1. Give them handouts and help them get a better life from the start? That may work for some, but there is a majority of ppl who would see the handouts as either their right, or a far easier way to live through life...2. Ignore them and let them fend for themselves? And in doing so you’re pushing the crime levels up...Most of these ppl have had a "hard life" and as such they feel no obligation to the community. Normally the coppers are able to keep some sort of law and order going in such cases by their mere presences... If makes a "don't break the law because you might get caught" mentality rather than a "if we break the law we're hurting each other" mentality. However in the wake of the hurricane with most ppl having left the city the threat of getting caught is now less therefore ppl whom would have loved to do this thing before hand but where worried they'd be caught now have little fears of that...From what I have seen most "law enforcement" type people left with the majority of the city (and as the article stated the majority of them where the "law abiding") so you now have a higher concentration of "non law abiding" ppl with fewer "law enforcement" pplThis is just my 2c, it has no relation to fact nor fiction and feel free to correct me...
plonky The Bionic Man - half man-half titanium Member 1,766 Member For: 23y 5m 27d Location: Dodge Scat Pack Posted 08/09/05 03:53 AM Posted 08/09/05 03:53 AM It was funny to read about that self promoter 'Sean Penn' who was in his dinghy sailing around the flood waters looking to help people.Don;t know how he was going to fit anybody into his boat as he also had three of his entourage as well as his personal photographer....the baot was taking on water and he had to be rescued as well.Typical actor......
Lumpen Poison Fish. Poison Fish. TASTY FISH!!! Legacy Donating Member 5,181 Member For: 23y 6m 21d Gender: Male Location: The Bogan Shire Posted 08/09/05 04:06 AM Posted 08/09/05 04:06 AM But Plonky, by the same token, Greed, Insensitivity and Self-Superiority and Importance are also by products of a ostensibly Capitalist system. 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects....reports from CNN and Fox...city had no plan forevacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails...let many of them loose...no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations...a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.Regardless of the fact that these people are from lower socio-economic strata's, does anybody actually not find it repugnent with it's subtle tones that this passage seems to validate the fact that these people were not rescued, and were left for days after the event with no food, water, supplies of any kind.In any society, with a complete loss of authority and the scarceness of resources you are going to see people reverting to our basic animal instinct, Survival.He compares a devastated city with no food, water, power or medical supplies, with convicted criminals released by the powers that be to a small, homely country town with a non-functioning traffic light? As if there is any parallel that can be drawn between them. The US response to September 11? Bombard all western television with horrific images, similar to the kind of death that the US has been raining over other nations for 40 years. Then they turn around and murder hundred's of thousand of innocent people by similar means in the name of democracy and liberation? Tragically ironic or just tragic?However, what I personally find most abhorrent and disgusting, yet at the same time it is actually, in my opinion, one of the major factors in the response by the US Governments (on all levels) is this quote:But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living?What disturbs me about such a quote is that there is the belief in such a materialistic society that wealth and possesions are what makes the importance of a human. This, as we should all know can be no further from the truth however a morally bankrupt little man such as the kind who writes an imperious article like this is are often also those who hold positions of power.I personally wonder how much time and effort will be put into protecting and rebuilding material assests, both of those of people and of large conglomerates in comparison to the effort to release these people from the festering hell hole that New Orleans has become.I personally, can't comment on the US welfare system though I know it is much "harder" than what we have in Australia. The levels of support is far smaller in a nation where it costs alot more to live and also it is available for only a limited period.I am sure such an article will go down well with White Anglo Saxon Protestant American as it features such patriotic rhetoric such as:That is what has shocked so many people: they have been sayingthat this is not what we expect from America.and:When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us.How homely and patriotic, unfortunately it also another twisted lie, but that's OK, because as long as the US Government and the media feed such propoganda to those that count (Must be those with money and stuff) then All is Well.I really can't comment much more on this article because it has actually sickened me that somebody with such a callous disregard for human life, blaming people with little to no chance rather than cast an eye back over the corrupt system of greed and manipulation that he supports can call himself a 'journalist'.Brendan.
Macktheknife Xtreme Xalted Member Legacy Donating Member 3,112 Member For: 23y 5m 1d Gender: Male Location: BrisVegas Posted 08/09/05 04:27 AM Posted 08/09/05 04:27 AM Brendan.I applaud you mate. It is obvious you have read the article carefully, understand it fully and have commented accurately and in an articulate manner. You are wise far beyond your years........ :bowdownI make no comment but in this thread, I look forward to comment from others if they are as well thought about regardless of the opinion.
NT TURBO Member 1,128 Member For: 23y 6m 22d Gender: Male Location: Darwin NT Posted 08/09/05 04:27 AM Posted 08/09/05 04:27 AM Well said lumpy.
sixfan Flaccid Member Legacy Donating Member 2,503 Member For: 23y 4m 15d Gender: Male Location: NOONAMAH, go figure..... Posted 08/09/05 05:31 AM Posted 08/09/05 05:31 AM Lumpy:I disagree that "Basic Animal Instincts" are to rape steal and kill. Altruisim is an effective survival strategy that has evolved in mankind AND OTHER ANIMALS. Vampire bats will regurgitate blood to a neibour bat in thier cave that did not get a feed that night. Why? to maintain a population in that cave / treestump, so that if in future if the donor bat misses out on a feed there are enough others to donate to it. It's the same with Humans (metaphorically of course!) I pay taxes to go into welfare to support people who one day, may have to support me (or my offspring)Altruisim is an evolutionary tactic that is innate to all humans while theft, killing and to a lesser degree, rape (let's not get into that topic here...)are LEARNED "skills" I do not agree that rape / murder / theft is the inevitable result of putting humans under stress.It's the result of evil fcuks running amok because that think they can get away with it.Theres no excuse for thier behavior.
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