Yeh true but I bet alot of tuners started back in the day from a " generic tune " and just kept plugging away until u have what u got today.... Is that ok ?

Look I get the point of this thread but a tuner doesnt " own " a tune

If it can be read it can be duplicated and manipulated

This happens far more than u think

In the vl scene, some tuners put codes on the computers so other tuners cannot access them

^^^ And LSX

Can also be done with HPT/VCM with ford PCM's

This is an unfortunate reality with HP and Sniper; however they can't access everything.

Tuners will need to accept that their tunes are going to be raped and pillaged.

Stealing customers / lying / and using raped tunes is unacceptable and unethical. I have heaps of tunes obtained from various sources, but never do I use this info in an unethical fashion. I refuse to tune cars because of the headaches it causes with registered workshops....I'd much rather be a friend than an enemy, but there's always a few that spoil it.

Hypothetical question: Is using another tuners, tune as your base tune any better /worse than tuning a car that you haven't built?

Using somebody elses tune as a base, you're icing the cake they have baked, but the same argument could be applied to tuning a car you didn't carry out the work on?

Not looking to take sides, or infer anything about anybody/any business just interested to hear the members (and workshops) thoughts?

Its much worse than tuning a car u havent built, that happens alot. If one workshop builds a car then it gets tuned by another there must be a problem with the first workshop, or maybe customer move interstate or maybe changed ownership and buyer went to their own tuner or owner built car and gets shop to tune.

Can also be done with HPT/VCM with ford PCM's

Exactly and I guess to put it bluntly if you worried about a tune you created being used/improved/worked on, What ever you want to call it your more then entitled to put a pass code on your tune. If your confident enough with your work and customer clientele as most shops are you wont worry about it.

My 2 cents.

Its much worse than tuning a car u havent built, that happens alot. If one workshop builds a car then it gets tuned by another there must be a problem with the first workshop, or maybe customer move interstate or maybe changed ownership and buyer went to their own tuner or owner built car and gets shop to tune.

Similar scenarios can and do happen with tuners. Also customers/tuners fall out with each other etc etc. (take the amount of customers that have bounced between MTE and XFT here in Perth)

If i understand correctly it is possible to read another tuners, tunes on an xcal but the process require permission from the other tuner and can only be done with the assistance of Herrods/SCT

But whats happening here is someone is stealing joes customers and tunes and using them to make money all beit with a change here and there to "make more power" its plagerism

Edited 07/02/13 04:00 AM07/02/13 04:00 AM by bionicxr6t05