Engine Management Upgrades

[cuspub]

A level playing field Peter... Interesting observation.

Let's start at the beginning. The Moderators of this forum know who I am, that I contract to Nizpro and in this context I have never hidden behind a 'handle' that is extremely well known in the motor trade.

As to transparency, I have used the cuspub name for many years, so changing it for you seems a little odd.

Getting back to that level playing field.

I approached a Forum Moderator in an attempt to offer the site sponsorship on behalf of Nizpro, however there was no reply. In turn I approached the Site Owner who advised that no sponsorship could be taken. So I was left to ponder that with 16 days between correspondences I could not get an answer. We'll let you work that one out.

Working under the Nizpro name (but of course with my handle), I responded that as this was the case Nizpro could not discuss the virtues of its product range on the forum, to which the site owner agreed and suggested he would look into ways of allowing that to happen.

It didn't and there was no response forthcoming.

Hence support for Nizpro must only appear limited or otherwise I will be banned (I have already been advised that I will be banned and I now have a 10% warning).

So Peter, where is this level playing field you refer to?

As to BLKXRT, as a moderator you are particularly biased, and once again the playing field is not level.

That said BLKXRT; you are not who you purport to be, lying about the fact that you work on dynos daily.

So here we are, a PR person trying to do the best by a client that is stifled by paranoia, misnomers, and power play. A site sponsor who I must admit does a great job of promoting his product and of course has the uninhibited ability to do so. And a forum moderator who is biased. So where exactly is this level playing field?

[chief]

hmmm, here we go .... :( could be over stepping the mark a little??

Definitely has killed the thread methinks.

I guess no one knows what happens behind the scenes, but I don't think where this has gone is in the spirit of the site.

No one wants to hear a sledging match IMO

I don't think anyone on the forum doubts the ability of either tuners for great results. Both have proven their products on the drag strip for which all performance enthusiasts here are greatful (except hsv fans).

Cheers

[turbotrana]

Quote: Unichip installer " we make heaps out of this thing, it takes no time to install, we put it on the dyno, lean it off and bump the timing up a bit, give them (the customer) the dyno print that shows a bit more power and they are happy as chips, we make 450 to 500 bucks out of them in a couple of hours". Now Unichip: I cant say forsure how good/bad your product is cause its not available to me, but I have a big problem with the amount you and your installers are charging for installation and unnecessary tuning time on the dyno machine. I modify cars as a HOBBY. However it is clear to me that this product is well marketed at a huge $ premium and the arrangement you have between yourself and your installers seems to be orientated around alot of money making. You say you cant release a Generic tune for the Ford Turbo however this is not true. The aftermarket chip market has been doing this from day one. Good luck to you as your making heaps of money at the moment off alot of guys who have minimal knowledge about modifying cars. Quite plainly I feel its not a value for money arrangement (although what the Unichip does is good). I'm just glad that finally theres some competition, namely the exede at a great price which allows ANY dyno tuner or competant backyarder to tune. I hope this will bring your prices down to something more realistic for what is being supplied and done.

[GOLDIE]

hmmm, here we go .... :( could be over stepping the mark a little??

Definitely has killed the thread methinks.

I guess no one knows what happens behind the scenes, but I don't think where this has gone is in the spirit of the site.

No one wants to hear a sledging match IMO

I don't think anyone on the forum doubts the ability of either tuners for great results. Both have proven their products on the drag strip for which all performance enthusiasts here are greatful (except hsv fans).

Cheers

I think we should get this back on track too.

As for which mod is best I think they both are doing a great job.

I am happy with my exede and I know people who are happy with there uni chip unit.

I suggest you talk to both supplers direct and then get them to suggest a fitter in your area and than talk to these guys and make an informed decision yourself.

Ian

[Falchoon]

cuspub - I had no idea you had a connection with Nizpro, not that it has much bearing on anything that has been said in this thread. I'd be interested to hear why Nizpro sponsership was knocked back by Chris, I thought this site needed every cent it could to keep running. Probably best to start a new thread for that. Maybe your message just 'fell through the cracks' somehow.

Thank you APS for responding to our queries in a timely and informative manner.

[aps]

Turbotrana,

I don’t understand you point. What is wrong with a business being profitable? After all, we invest thousands of dollars in capital equipment to develop products. Everyone is entitled to a fair return on their capital investment. There is a difference between offering a professional service at a fair price; however, you come across as if people are being ripped off.

We at APS charge $385 to

1. dyno test the stock car

2. wire the computer neatly

3. develop a custom map for each engine

4. final power run

5. before and after power graphs

6. road test vehicle

7. check cold start conditions

All up approximately 4 hours work. Therefore, for $385 you get the experience of a professional tuner, dyno time and the best safe level of engine tune. I would suggest that this is very inexpensive for complete peace of mind.

As one professional tuner stated recently, one wrong keystroke on the keyboard can end in disaster.

If you feel competent to tune your own engine without all of the diagnostic equipment, that’s great and you’re entitled to your opinion. Fact is, if this were possible why would any business ever invest in many thousands of dollars in engine and chassis dynamometers and diagnostic equipment.

Other products only offer value if they perform at the same level of performance, safety and peace of mind. It is our view that no other current interceptor style unit offers the same level of technology at a better price.

Opposition products do not frighten us. To the contrary, we are pleased. This drives us to work harder and smarter to produce better products.

In any event, we respect your opinion as the choice is always up to the individual.

Regards

Peter

APS

[Cobra]

Guys,

this thread is about to be closed

as a moderator for this site, I am asked to essentially keep the peace

as an owner of an XRT, I can have my own opinions

as for a member of this site, I'm starting to think "cuspub" is doing a lousey job in his "public relations" position for Nizpro with all the aggrevation he is causing

my apologies to APS and Peter, who must be thanked for their valuable input

cheers