Falchoon.

Please state your qualifications when publishing your test results/opinion/comments on what does and doesn't work. For legal reasons of course!

Quote: " but the DBA rotors DO NOT fix rthe problem! I know. "

Steve,

Done mate

I think we are missing the point this thread was purley based to collect valuable data so people that are concerned or who experince the problem can make a informative decision weither they go down the after market road or warranty road.. I dont apreciate anti FORD suggestions (consumer affairs and sewing) this is not the place for any of that .... We are all here to apreciate XR6 Turbo's and Non Turbo's or Ford's in general.....

Falchoon.

Please state your qualifications when publishing your test results/opinion/comments on what does and doesn't work. For legal reasons of course!

Quote: " but the DBA rotors DO NOT fix rthe problem! I know. "

So dbasteve are you suggesting that the DBA rotors do / will fix the problem.

If I get the problem before a solution I had intended to get DBA rotors all around, the suggestion that they dont work has given me reason to think that it may not be a good idea.

My car has an after-market brand of replacement disc rotors(name withheld do to legal reasons!- Steve) and my car still displays brake shudder! Explain that one? Ask the engineers at Ford what qualifications they have. They signed of on the brakes, remember. ( I work in the motor trade involved with the diagnosis and recification/repair of a prestige european marque.)

As for the the testing Ford is doing(harasn), the important thing to remenber here is that "real world" conditions are more applicable. Does enyone remember the EA Falcon, The EF's handling dramas( which lead to Ford investing plenty of money on up grading their proving ground) the AU being a sales success etc. And were supposed have faith in Ford finding a fix. Get real! Driving cars 24hr a day is not what most owners do. How is this relevant, and what difference does the number of km travelled make, when most cars are having the problem with under 10 000km!(being generous here as some don't make it that far without dramas.) It is more logical to try and re-create the "real world"situation that is causing the problem, not just following a testing proceedure that did not pick up the problem to start with. So maybe a little feedback from owners will help in allowing a more appropriate test procedure to be put into place.

I think you should be a little less fragile.

And lastly,(for now) why does it take this long, and still not have a fix, if there is some much testing going on. Lack of resourses?

My car has an after-market brand of replacement disc rotors(name withheld do to legal reasons!- Steve) and my car still displays brake shudder! Explain that one?  Ask the engineers at Ford what qualifications they have. They signed of on the brakes, remember. ( I work in the motor trade involved with the diagnosis and recification/repair of a prestige european marque.)

  As for the the testing Ford is doing(harasn), the important thing to remenber here is that "real world" conditions are more applicable. Does enyone remember the EA Falcon, The EF's handling dramas( which lead to Ford investing plenty of money on up grading their proving ground) the AU being a sales success etc. And were supposed have faith in Ford finding a fix. Get real! Driving cars 24hr a day is not what most owners do. How is this relevant, and what difference does the number of km travelled make, when most cars are having the problem with under 10 000km!(being generous here as some don't make it that far without dramas.) It is more logical to try and re-create the "real world"situation that is causing the problem, not just following a testing proceedure that did not pick up the problem to start with. So maybe a little feedback from owners will help in allowing a more appropriate test procedure to be put into place.

I think you should be a little less fragile.

And lastly,(for now) why does it take this long, and still not have a fix, if there is some much testing going on. Lack of resourses?

FALCHOON58 I have decided to not bother even trying to explain anything to you as I firmly believe that you are God.

As for the rest of you human people, you know where to find me for real information. not just talk that's full of crap! I'd like this thread to remain usefull and with people just talking crap it will distroy the thread.

I would just like an official letter from FMCO saying something like "we know there is a problem and we are testing to find a fix, and we will then fix all affected Falcons" Its the silence from Ford that worries me, its great that you help us Harasn, but we would all feel better with something official, FMCO would dramatically improve customer relations just by keeping people informed.

My car has an after-market brand of replacement disc rotors(name withheld do to legal reasons!- Steve) and my car still displays brake shudder! Explain that one? Ask the engineers at Ford what qualifications they have. They signed of on the brakes, remember. ( I work in the motor trade involved with the diagnosis and recification/repair of a prestige european marque.)

As for the the testing Ford is doing(harasn), the important thing to remenber here is that "real world" conditions are more applicable. Does enyone remember the EA Falcon, The EF's handling dramas( which lead to Ford investing plenty of money on up grading their proving ground) the AU being a sales success etc. And were supposed have faith in Ford finding a fix. Get real! Driving cars 24hr a day is not what most owners do. How is this relevant, and what difference does the number of km travelled make, when most cars are having the problem with under 10 000km!(being generous here as some don't make it that far without dramas.) It is more logical to try and re-create the "real world"situation that is causing the problem, not just following a testing proceedure that did not pick up the problem to start with. So maybe a little feedback from owners will help in allowing a more appropriate test procedure to be put into place.

I think you should be a little less fragile.

And lastly,(for now) why does it take this long, and still not have a fix, if there is some much testing going on. Lack of resourses?

Yes mate, You have some very good points.Had a EA with factory ordered oil leaks,Shocking brakes and a transmission that I was just awfull.My next was a 95 EF Fairmont that was basically the same but spat the aircon compressor twice and threw the hamonic balancer into the radiator twice and the 3rd time decided to go backwards and kill the crank angle sensor.The automatic doors locks used to go up and down like a yoyo 4 times,Lost all my coolant at 30000km and stuffed all coolant hoses and I was luckie to get 20000km out of a set of pads let alone scrubbing tyres on the outside fronts at 15000km but apart from that it was a good car [Not].My next was a exploror which was the best of the lot then a XR8 series 2 that was a great car to so what has happened?.

Could you describe a make of car or model as having generic problems?.

I would just like an official letter from FMCO saying something like "we know there is a problem and we are testing to find a fix, and we will then fix all affected Falcons" Its the silence from Ford that worries me, its great that you help us Harasn, but we would all feel better with something official, FMCO would dramatically improve customer relations just by keeping people informed.

Sorry to say but that's not going to happen. Not Ford or any other manufacture would do that. It would need to be extremely well written to not allow any loop holes for action to be made on it 16 years down the track or something. Ford will fix it. as I have said they have to as it will cost them 10million or more a year if every car gets its! The Problem will be fixed! sorry I cant help more! Yet!

So dbasteve are you suggesting that the DBA rotors do / will fix the problem.

If I get the problem before a solution I had intended to get DBA rotors all around, the suggestion that they dont work has given me reason to think that it may not be a good idea.

Cam,

I beleive our discs have eliminated issues with the disc rotor. It would be very foolish for me to suggest that this is the sole cause of the problem. DTV and/or shudder in a disc rotor is the end result of a combination of issues which may involve the hubs, calipers, pads, wheel nut torque, and suspension as well. This is why there isn't an overnight solution.

I'm trying to help. Not sell disc rotors!

Falcoon; Me again!

You're welcome to bring your vehicle in to us to look at the DBA rotors. This doesn't cost anything except a bit of your time. This may be a more productive approach to a solution.

DTV = Disc thickness variation.