Capa Flash Not So Stealth

[Fat-Tony]

If they can play the game and get away with it they will try. Its all in excercise of saving a dollar. Ive had other car manufactures try it with me ON A STOCK CAR, denying warrenty claims, till I threatend them with some legal action. They soon got the arse into gear and fixed the car

[tmac450]

OK, enough with the speculation. Lets settle it here and now. Disregard this you 'play you pay' argument becuase in may cases (such as known faults with gearboxes and diffs) the modifications had little to do with the failure.

Has anyone actually been knocked back for warranty beacuse Ford said, "We detected that your car has been edited."

None of this urban myth sh*t where, "My best freiends, 2nd cousin..", or "I heard of this guy...", or "One time, at bandcamp..."

Also, we don't want to hear about anyone who forgot to flash back the std tune either.

We want to hear from any edited owners here who have actually been caught, not tricked into admitting it. Funny thing is, Subaru flash editing has been going on for quite a while and a service manager from Tom Kerr Subaru admitted to me that they couldn't tell if the ECU had been changed even if the hot tune was still there.

Also, if it's so easy to detect, why did CAMS give up trying to police it in production car racing and open up the rules to allow computer modification?

[Blonk]

OK, enough with the speculation.  Lets settle it here and now.  Disregard this you 'play you pay' argument becuase in may cases (such as known faults with gearboxes and diffs) the modifications had little to do with the failure.

Has anyone actually been knocked back for warranty beacuse Ford said, "We detected that your car has been edited."

None of this urban myth sh*t where, "My best freiends, 2nd cousin..", or "I heard of this guy...", or "One time, at bandcamp..."

Also, we don't want to hear about anyone who forgot to flash back the std tune either.

We want to hear from any edited owners here who have actually been caught, not tricked into admitting it.  Funny thing is, Subaru flash editing has been going on for quite a while and a service manager from Tom Kerr Subaru admitted to me that they couldn't tell if the ECU had been changed even if the hot tune was still there. 

Also, if it's so easy to detect, why did CAMS give up trying to police it in production car racing and open up the rules to allow computer modification?

←

Two words...

NUP!!!!!!!!!

[XR68UZ]

never been detected, they even flash a new version of software into my car, which was then stored onto the edit box. no dramas

[tab]

never been detected, they even flash a new version of software into my car, which was then stored onto the edit box. no dramas

←

Is that even possible?

[SCRIBR]

OK, enough with the speculation.  Lets settle it here and now.  Disregard this you 'play you pay' argument becuase in may cases (such as known faults with gearboxes and diffs) the modifications had little to do with the failure.

Has anyone actually been knocked back for warranty beacuse Ford said, "We detected that your car has been edited."

None of this urban myth sh*t where, "My best freiends, 2nd cousin..", or "I heard of this guy...", or "One time, at bandcamp..."

Also, we don't want to hear about anyone who forgot to flash back the std tune either.

We want to hear from any edited owners here who have actually been caught, not tricked into admitting it.  Funny thing is, Subaru flash editing has been going on for quite a while and a service manager from Tom Kerr Subaru admitted to me that they couldn't tell if the ECU had been changed even if the hot tune was still there. 

Also, if it's so easy to detect, why did CAMS give up trying to police it in production car racing and open up the rules to allow computer modification?

←

Two words...

NUP!!!!!!!!!

←

nice nice

now u tell me!!!

[Guest newl]

never been detected, they even flash a new version of software into my car, which was then stored onto the edit box. no dramas

←

Is that even possible?

←

Only if the box hasn't been used (or has just been unlocked) afaik.

[Johnny G]

No hassles with the old BA Mk1. Never been questioned. Never been detected.

Has always gone back for a service flashed back to standard though....

AS for whether I ever go back to the dealer for a service after the last experience - well - I doubt it... - but that's another thread.

[mickey_gee]

When my car was in extended warranty the guy that voided the warranty (after market intercooler) said the car was chipped. I denied any sought of activity and he let it go. but he tried to get it out of me. I dont know for sure but I dont think the edit can be detected.

MG

Edited 03/11/06 05:54 AM by mickey_gee

[Max Power]

When you 1st upload a tune from the capa box, it stores your factory tune in the F slot and it does this once and once only.

When you flash your F tune back in to take the car to Ford for a service, an outstanding TSB on the factory tune is applied (I believe its a cure for an overboost problem).

This new factory tune has a different version number (just like a Windows upgrade). The details are stored on the Ford database.

You then go home and flash your custom tune back in and when you next flash the factory tune back in, you flash the old factory tune pre the TSB.

When you take the car in for a driveline warranty claim, the Ford investigators cross check the tune versions on the car and on their database.

If they dont match then they know that you have a capa flasher.

A fix for this is;

a) to not have this or any future tune TSBs applied by knowing your Ford service guy or

b) flash in the factory tune before a service and send the capa box back to Capa to unlock it. After the service and when you get the box back and install your custom tune, your new factory tune will be stored in the F slot. This can only be done 5 times by Capa but by that point, your car will probably be out of warranty anyway.

The only down side to option b) is that Capa will be able to see your tuner's custom tunes.