Intercooler With No Cutting Involved?

[Adam]

All this tube and fin vs bar and plate stuff confuses the hell out of me.

Everyone seems to have a different opinion on which is better and why.

From what I understand bar and plate cools better but flows less and has more of a pressure drop. So from what I understand tub and fin is better for everyday street use.

Is this correct or not?

[Process West]

All this tube and fin vs bar and plate stuff confuses the hell out of me.

Everyone seems to have a different opinion on which is better and why.

From what I understand bar and plate cools better but flows less and has more of a pressure drop. So from what I understand tub and fin is better for everyday street use.

Is this correct or not?

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There is no correct answer. Japanese tube & fin coolers have a totally different contruction method to the Australian made Adrad and K&J units.

You can also have 2 bar & plate cores of identical size which can show different pressure drops and outlet temps. It all depends and fin configuration.

Kevin

[Romulus]

I've used the AutoSport Engineering tube and fin intercooler and have no problems with it. Minimal pressure drop, excellent cooling characteristics. It's probably not as efficient as a bar and plate core, but is capable of flowing much more power. I was pushing out 330 odd rwkw with this unit and had no problems.

The intercooler I've ordered to go with my Nizpro kit is another tube and fin unit from ASE. Difference being, they don't use the same core as PWR

[Process West]

I've used the AutoSport Engineering tube and fin intercooler and have no problems with it. Minimal pressure drop, excellent cooling characteristics. It's probably not as efficient as a bar and plate core, but is capable of flowing much more power. I was pushing out 330 odd rwkw with this unit and had no problems.

The intercooler I've ordered to go with my Nizpro kit is another tube and fin unit from ASE. Difference being, they don't use the same core as PWR 

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I think ASE use Adrad cores..same core construction method as PWR (K&J)..extruded. The only reason you would use an Australian made extruded type core (from a business point of view) is because you can order minimal quantity/custom size cores with quick lead time.

The extruded cores work Ok..but for the same size you will get better results with the bar & plate unit.

Ive been to 4 different heat exchanger factories around the world (1 in USA and 3 in China). One of the Chinese factories had a bunch of intercooler cores from every manufacturer around the world. They showed me the extensive testing they did...was very interesting.

My 2 cents

Kevin

[Guest]

I've used the AutoSport Engineering tube and fin intercooler and have no problems with it. Minimal pressure drop, excellent cooling characteristics. It's probably not as efficient as a bar and plate core, but is capable of flowing much more power. I was pushing out 330 odd rwkw with this unit and had no problems.

The intercooler I've ordered to go with my Nizpro kit is another tube and fin unit from ASE. Difference being, they don't use the same core as PWR 

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I think ASE use Adrad cores..same core construction method as PWR (K&J)..extruded. The only reason you would use an Australian made extruded type core (from a business point of view) is because you can order minimal quantity/custom size cores with quick lead time.

The extruded cores work Ok..but for the same size you will get better results with the bar & plate unit.

Ive been to 4 different heat exchanger factories around the world (1 in USA and 3 in China). One of the Chinese factories had a bunch of intercooler cores from every manufacturer around the world. They showed me the extensive testing they did...was very interesting.

My 2 cents

Kevin

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kevin you sound pretty clued up think your right with the ase & pwr cores being similar

the bar and plate never realy flows as much as some tube and fin but the eficiancy almost always out weighs the flow!

especialy when there is room!

food for thaught here:

nizpro cobra kit =

cooler and plumbing kit

plenum with

std exhaust = 330 odd rwkw

aps phase iii kit =

cooler and plumbing kit

exhaust with

std plenum = 330 odd rwkw

comon denominator = cooler and plumbing

so how many people listen and go for cooler with plumbing?

lucky to see 5% do it right!!!!

at this point wog cooler no. 2 began life

[Fat-Tony]

ProcessWest,

Were comparing a bar and plate to a tube and fin, there is advantages and disadvantages to using either. PWR quote a less than 1psi drop at 8psi and inlet chagre cooled from 81deg to 40 as apposed to teh fatory core which is at 61deg outlet. When looking at the cooler cores I think 2 on the market I have seen stand out PWR and Hyperflow, purely because the end tank design allows you to acually use the core rather than shoveing air into the bottom cooler rows. I would like to see your cooler kit for the XR6 and some test results to compare with. Though also got to consider the climate we live in im from Melb and it dont get very hot here for only about 4 days of the year so I really cant justify the use of a bar and plate cooler for myself.

[Process West]

ProcessWest,

Were comparing a bar and plate to a tube and fin, there is advantages and disadvantages to using either. PWR quote a less than 1psi drop at 8psi and inlet chagre cooled from 81deg to 40 as apposed to teh fatory core which is at 61deg outlet. When looking at the cooler cores I think 2 on the market I have seen stand out PWR and Hyperflow, purely because the end tank design allows you to acually use the core rather than shoveing air into the bottom cooler rows. I would like to see your cooler kit for the XR6 and some test results to compare with. Though also got to consider the climate we live in im from Melb and it dont get very hot here for only about 4 days of the year so I really cant justify the use of a bar and plate cooler for myself.

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The placement of the inlet/outlets wont make any diffenence to what part of the core is used. Ill prove this when my intercooler is ready.

Kevin

[Process West]

I've used the AutoSport Engineering tube and fin intercooler and have no problems with it. Minimal pressure drop, excellent cooling characteristics. It's probably not as efficient as a bar and plate core, but is capable of flowing much more power. I was pushing out 330 odd rwkw with this unit and had no problems.

The intercooler I've ordered to go with my Nizpro kit is another tube and fin unit from ASE. Difference being, they don't use the same core as PWR 

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I think ASE use Adrad cores..same core construction method as PWR (K&J)..extruded. The only reason you would use an Australian made extruded type core (from a business point of view) is because you can order minimal quantity/custom size cores with quick lead time.

The extruded cores work Ok..but for the same size you will get better results with the bar & plate unit.

Ive been to 4 different heat exchanger factories around the world (1 in USA and 3 in China). One of the Chinese factories had a bunch of intercooler cores from every manufacturer around the world. They showed me the extensive testing they did...was very interesting.

My 2 cents

Kevin

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kevin you sound pretty clued up think your right with the ase & pwr cores being similar

the bar and plate never realy flows as much as some tube and fin but the eficiancy almost always out weighs the flow!

especialy when there is room!

food for thaught here:

nizpro cobra kit =

cooler and plumbing kit

plenum with

std exhaust = 330 odd rwkw

aps phase iii kit =

cooler and plumbing kit

exhaust with

std plenum = 330 odd rwkw

comon denominator = cooler and plumbing

so how many people listen and go for cooler with plumbing?

lucky to see 5% do it right!!!!

at this point wog cooler no. 2 began life

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Its a shame that only 5% of people do it right. As I said in a another thread its not hard to do an upgrade intercooler for T. Making it look right at the front of car is another thing. The front end of the T is pleasant looking. I dont understand why guys spoil it by installing a big intercooler that doesnt sit in the centre of the front end. My new kit sits in the centre and is symmetrical...it looks right.

Kevin

[1axr]

great discussion guys.

keep it comming.

[Paradoxx]

Yeah a good read here... very interesting.

Be nice to see one that sits in the middle.