The problem with that theory, Geea, is that there needs to be a large change the to the plumbing of the xrt with either the nizpro or aps kits. You need to work out which is better for you, but it's no small job that's for sure

Geesemans right Geea, if you go to the larger IC you really need to redo the plumbing at the same time. As well as the heat soak mentioned, it will also make a big difference to the turbo lag which means better 60' times... and more of a reason to run slicks.

As Brian has mentioned before, removing 15 odd feet of intake piping can only improve the response of the car.

Geeseman, when APS fit the larger IC in the phase III kits they also redo the plumbing. I would suspect that there would be very little difference between the length of the plumbing in the APS Stage III kit and the NIZPRO Stage II kit.

Geea, I think you WILL have problems with your auto when (if) you exceed 300rwkw. I'm hope I'm wrong, but that's the feeling I have knowing more about these transmissions than I did a month ago.

Cheers,

Mick

As Brian has mentioned before, removing 15 odd feet of intake piping can only improve the response of the car.

It would improve the response and as I assume decrease the amount of boost required to hit a power level. The cold air box in my car gets very hot, I can only imagine what the piping from the intercooler gets like. Best to keep it as short as possible.,

As for the auto, yeah, I wont be passing 300rwkw for that reason. I dont have much faith in the auto at that power level but will be looking at an intercooler simply to keep the intake temps down and the engine cooler as a result.

  I would suspect that there would be very little difference between the length of the plumbing in the APS Stage III kit and the NIZPRO Stage II kit.

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Cheers,

Mick

Mick,

I just got out of tape measure, and double checked. It is very surprising. The APS Stage 3 has 1.2 metres of extra inlet plumbing, compared to Nizpro.

Much of that extra plumbing is over the top of a hot exhaust manifold.

Brian

.....but will be looking at an intercooler simply to keep the intake temps down and the engine cooler as a result. 

I agree Geeseman, for me a bigger IC would be about producing power more consistently rather than producing more power.

  I would suspect that there would be very little difference between the length of the plumbing in the APS Stage III kit and the NIZPRO Stage II kit.

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Cheers,

Mick

Mick,

I just got out of tape measure, and double checked. It is very surprising. The APS Stage 3 has 1.2 metres of extra inlet plumbing, compared to Nizpro.

Much of that extra plumbing is over the top of a hot exhaust manifold.

Brian

Thanks Brian, I stand corrected

I didn't know you had an APS Stage 3 car too.. :lol:

Mick

I didn't know you had an APS Stage 3 car too.. :lol:

Mick

Yeah that's really funny Mick.

Just look at the stage 3 picture on the aps web site, then use a tape measure.

It's not hard... the hard part was finding my wife's tape measure in the sacred domain of her sewing equipment.

Brian

I didn't know you had an APS Stage 3 car too..  :lol:

Mick

Yeah that's really funny Mick.

Just look at the stage 3 picture on the aps web site, then use a tape measure.

It's not hard... the hard part was finding my wife's tape measure in the sacred domain of her sewing equipment.

Brian

....here we go I'm thinkin'

....here we go I'm thinkin'

Stop thinking then. Bcl has a valid point it's easy to see that the piping is longer.

I don't think its a problem though. One fella I know with stage 3 commented on the lack of initial omph compared to phase 2, but once the power comes on it's very strong of course. I'll look at heat wrap for extra shielding of the piping maybe, but to the average joe there won't be a hell of a lot of difference between the two kits in power or how quickly it comes on.

It's not hard... the hard part was finding my wife's tape measure in the sacred domain of her sewing equipment.

Brian

You're a game man

Scotty

I don't think its a problem though. One fella I know with stage 3 commented on the lack of initial omph compared to phase 2,

I thought the story was that the APS cooler didn't effect lag

Scotty

....here we go I'm thinkin'

Seriously, I wasn't trying to take the piss out of Brian.

I don't have either an APS Stage 3 or Nizpro Stage 2 and made my original comment about the plumbing been similar lengths based on what I have read about the changes required to fit both kits.

I'm more than happy to be corrected by Brian who has some first hand knowledge on the subject.

My comment RE: him owning an APS Stage 3 car was purely tongue in cheek.

Cheers,

Mick