Radar Detectors <merged Topic>

[micksta]

Situations like this have to make you wonder if the law is setup to catch criminals or just to raise money

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mmm seems to be all about the mighty dollar!

[Fat-Tony]

that's why I saw vote Lumpy for PM

[micksta]

[Hi Micksta,

I'm in the same sinking boat.

I got booked twice by the same cop, same car over 4 weeks for exactly the same speed 75km in a 60k zone, both 60k zones were once 80km zones one up a hill one down a hill, I was in ex chaser still with speedo check stickers still visable. my kids were with me & like there mother love to quote the digital speedo reading. They both said it was on 65km/ph.

The officer took great pride in letting me know it was 75km but would be booking me for under 15km which now in this sh*t hole state is the same amount of points as over 15km.

I also hadn't been booked for speeding for 7 or so years (got booked for turning left on red signal in Feb) which in my work that's about 1,400,000km of work related travel, so thinking O well I'll let it go, but 4 weeks later it happens again but on a double demerits Monday!

Now I have no points left & looking at loosing my house,buisness & my mind.

Since then I spoke to a excop mate who informed me of a trick they use it goes like so..

If working in a 60km zone get a lock from a 80km zone at 75km/ph so then you can still look at you radar getting a speed of oncoming vehciles, then for example someone is doing 65km/ph you pull them over tell them they are doing 75km/ph but being Mr Good Guy you will book them for under 15km instead of over 15km/ph, Driver says that can't be right I was doing 65km/ph, then they say have a look at the screen (that had been locked at 75km/ph earlier).

So it's court for me to try & save my lively hood with not much chance of winning.

I radars should have a time of lock on them to avoid this from happening.

Good luck with your attempt.

Muzza.

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That’s interesting Muzza

I have a suspicion that the read out on the radar was from the last car the cops booked.

So I will be summonsing the early infringement to court.

The other three times I was booked the cops had sirens on before I relized they were cops.

On the third occasion the cops went past me and were nearly out of my sight before they turn around and chased me. Its strange that it took them that long before they worked out I was speeding! I thought they just giving me a breath test.

I asked them to clock me again, with one of them in the car to prove the radar was wrong and they weren’t interested. Its not as if they didn’t have time, I wonder why they wouldn’t do it, somthing to hide?

I makes me wonder how the radars work- for example two vehicles coming towards each other at 100kms, the radar reads 100 and the cops are doing 100, there for the radar cancels out the two readings, but if one vehicle is doing 124, there a residual of 24.

So what speed were the cops doing?

Go luck with court Muzza

[ZAP]

You can get a copy of the police SOPs on the use of radar.

Essentially they cannot book you if:

There are other cars within 200m

Down hill

In inclement weather

from more than a 12.5deg angle from parallel

Within 200m on approach or 50m past a change of speed sign

Police HWP cars also have video of the offence, you can request this, as you can request the operators certification to use radar, the radar maintenance logs and the last time it was calibrated (should be the start of each shift).

I would suggest to anyone that wants to fight this to get a good traffic lawyer and to write everything down about what transpired. Also in future, you should record everything once you realise you are going to be pulled over.

I got a mate off from a LIDAR ticket because the cop was not playing by the rules and after he said it made no difference, I told him I was recording the conversation.

He warned us and sent us on our way ...82 in a 60 zone.

[Romulus]

Check out this site, then contact them. You'd have a good chance of getting off if the device used was a Genesis radar.

http://www.australianradar.com.au/news.php

They specialise in defending speeding infringements. Lidar/radar is definately not infallible.

Edited 22/10/06 11:23 AM by M6 XR6T

[Romulus]

Good post Zap. Most people aren't aware of their rights, and the responsibility of the issuing officers. With this in mind, I've successfully had 7 infringements over the past 8 years dropped due to these kind of antics the police have used.

You'd be surprised how many tickets are issued erroneously but people pay them because they think they have to.

[micksta]

You can get a copy of the police SOPs on the use of radar.

Essentially they cannot book you if:

There are other cars within 200m

Down hill

In inclement weather

from more than a  12.5deg angle from parallel

Within 200m on approach or 50m past a change of speed sign

Police HWP cars also have video of the offence, you can request this, as you can request the operators certification to use radar, the radar maintenance logs and the last time it was calibrated (should be the start of each shift).

I would suggest to anyone that wants to fight this to get a good traffic lawyer and to write everything down about what transpired.  Also in future, you should record everything once you realise you are going to be pulled over.

I got a mate off from a LIDAR ticket because the cop was not playing by the rules and after he said it made no difference, I told him I was recording the conversation.

He warned us and sent us on our way ...82 in a 60 zone.

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I’m actually considering mounting a camera in the car and GPS tracking, but both is not a cheap option and finding a GPS unit that will do that isn’t easy.

The ironic thing is, that I will go to all this trouble to protect myself and it will proberly never happen again.

[micksta]

Check out this site, then contact them. You'd have a good chance of getting off if the device used was a Genesis radar.

http://www.australianradar.com.au/news.php

They specialise in defending speeding infringements. Lidar/radar is definately not infallible.

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Thanks M6 XR6T

[Slymeat]

P.S booking some1 for slightly speeding down a hill is called entrapement

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No doubt someone useful and knowledgable and actually useful like Sly will know, but I'm pretty sure Entrapment is illegal in the United States but not here.

Even if it was, I'm sure that being pinged going down a hill due to inattention while driving doesn't come under that definition.

Copper is right, take it too court. Plead for extention of payment if nothing else.

Lumpy

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I thank you lumpy, I can tell you entrapment is not legal ( except when used in a certified controlled operation ). This is not a case of entrapment though.

Edited 23/10/06 09:44 AM by Slymeat

[tab]

So it's court for me to try & save my lively hood with not much chance of winning.

I radars should have a time of lock on them to avoid this from happening.

Good luck with your attempt.

Muzza.

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Sorry to hear of your predicament Muzza – I’d offer to trade you a few of my demerit points if I could spare any