So brian what you are saying is that you need the edit box as well is this right and xcal2 just add a extra side to the unit.

Ian

So brian what  you are saying is that you need the edit box as well is this right and xcal2 just add a extra side to the unit.

Ian

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Just spoke to another guy at CAPA.

He said:

XCAL 2 unit does replace the Flash Box, as it holds the tune.

You DON'T get Advantage 3 software, but you do get logger software with XCAL 2.

You can use the XCAL 2 as a hand controller to make the minor adjustments.

If you want the Advantage 3 software, you'd have to pay $2.5k

It think I now understand it.

The Flash Tuner box is still retained as a product

Brian

That sounds better that's what I read but was not sure.

Ian

That sounds better that's what I read but was not sure.

Ian

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Sorry, I found it a bit confusing, and why I made another call to CAPA. I'm used to using a Power FC, which has an ecu and a hand controller, and where the hand controller doesn't store the program, but reads from the ecu, and allows updates and real-time update capability. It just seemed a little odd to me that a hand controller would function as both a program storage unit and hand-held unit.

Brian

The one thing that I think CAPA should consider doing is to offer existing customers with the opportunity to "trade in" so to speak, their flash box for the Xcal 2.

This way they would be able to capture some revenue from those of us not wanting to fork out another $ 1299 however would be prepared to part with some hard earned in order to have a little play.

I know it's not a consideration of CAPA at present however would just make plain good business sense in my books.

so it removes error codes?

Brian, did you ask anyone about Live Wire?

It is an archaic process that adds to the time and cost.

Brian

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And because of this reason the unit itself should be made available at a much cheaper rate, CAPA have no competition in Oz for the sales and ditribution of the box to the tuners, it is greed to a large degree. We have seen the price double that what it is in the states for what, a quick return on a product they(CAPA) new would be upgraded and had to move quickly off there shelves.( these devices have been available in the US since about mid last year)

As for R&D, I'm sorry but it does not take very long to make a generic tune, say a week for each model (not likely, more like a day or two on the dyno), and before you argue a good tuner can have a decent custom tune done in less time than that. So if you were to factor in time spent include labor costs and even throw in the box which for CAPA would be minimal, they should not have retailed for more than $750-$800 when they were first released in Oz, still bringing a quick $200 odd to their botom line per unit, minimum.

If the unit had some actual live tuning capability then I would understand completely and probably even say that $1500 would be a better starting point. As for not making the advatage software available unless you're willing to pay close to essentially 4 times what it is worth in the US, how is this impeding on there IP or even on there product dev, someone else already did that in this case.

Also in regard to the VIN locking issue, a good hacker/programmer with the time could get this easily, why don't they, simple, it's not a live tuning device and the majority of punters out their don't have dyno at there disposal.

We could argue till the cow in the moon comes home, and that's a long time waiting, but the reality is that even though we are a smaller market we are still a viable one, the sooner some of these guys see that the happier we will be and the richer they will get.

Edited October 31, 200619 yr by bcl

Brian, did you ask anyone about Live Wire?

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No, I didn't, but you can ring them on (08) 85823499 if you want to.

It is an archaic process that adds to the time and cost.

Brian

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And because of this reason the unit itself should be made available at a much cheaper rate... ,

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Interesting, the GM version of the Advantage software lists the following:

"Flash direct to the PCM. The days of sending PCM's back and forth for tuning ARE OVER! "