Wheels Typhoon Times

[Turbo6man]

Off throttle response to me anyway was pretty poor until about 4000rpm. Look once the car started moving it is a fast car but once again nothing special. To me it seemed if you wanted to extract the best out of this car you really had to fang it.

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With a comment like this it sounds to me like you haven't even driven the car. Makes me wonder what is behind your joining this forum. If you want to come here just to stir you'll get a good reception! Don't drive a magna do you???

[bcl]

rusht,

I am surprised as well with a car claimed to have 500Nm at 2000rpm. I suppose the 500Nm is at full throttle and full boost.

Off throttle response to me anyway was pretty poor until about 4000rpm. Look once the car started moving it is a fast car but once again nothing special. To me it seemed if you wanted to extract the best out of this car you really had to fang it.

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It's highly unlikely you'll get full boost by 2000rpm, more like 2500-3000revs, which is quite respectable.

Like the MY03 rex, the Typhoon gets more torque down low through cam timing changes. Yes, you can have good low down torque, yet have lag.

Lag is very much dependent on what turbo cars you have driven, but you really need a proper boost gauge to assess it.

Also, because the car is possibly a low boost car compared to modified turbo cars that you may have driven, you may be fooled into thinking that it is lag that you experience.

Imho the poor inlet plumbing design adds unnecessary lag in the Ford, possibly 1-2lb by 2000 revs.

However, the Ford does have an excellent spread of torque that few other turbo cars can match, anywhere in the world, and that's primarily due to it's large capacity and variable cam timing capability.

Brian

[Guest wrx365]

Turbo6man,

Not trying stir anything, just thought I share my thoughts.

I actually went to the dealership on saturday with the intention of buying the new phoon. I came away from that very disappointed with the car and currently negotiating on the GT.

Just look at the reviews and times being posted in all the various road tests. Even FPV have said the GT is a quicker car. However I am sure the phoon has greater poterntial.

[Turbo6man]

Turbo6man,

Not trying stir anything, just thought I share my thoughts.

OK, all good ...

I actually went to the dealership on saturday with the intention of buying the new phoon. I came away from that very disappointed with the car and currently negotiating on the GT.

From your comments I can only assume you drove the Typhoon the way you have become accustomed to driving a WRX. Have another drive and swap cogs at 4000-4500rpm. Use the torque of the motor, not it's revs, and I'll wager you'll get better accelleration ...

Just look at the reviews and times being posted in all the various road tests. Even FPV have said the GT is a quicker car. However I am sure the phoon has greater poterntial.

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Where did FPV say that? The test results published thus far indicate the accelleration in all gears is quicker in the Typhoon, by good margins. For some reason they don't seem to have good SS times - refer to my comment above for my own interpretation of why this is so ... people haven't worked out yet how to utilize the massive low down torque this motor has.

[hypnodoc]

One UNICHIP, six APS fuel injectors and some slightly stiffer front springs. Game over, all problems solved. I am waiting in the west for mine to arrive, now my left foot has taken to automatically tapping itself with impatience :lol:

[Guest wrx365]

Turbo6man,

Not trying stir anything, just thought I share my thoughts.

OK, all good ...

I actually went to the dealership on saturday with the intention of buying the new phoon. I came away from that very disappointed with the car and currently negotiating on the GT.

From your comments I can only assume you drove the Typhoon the way you have become accustomed to driving a WRX. Have another drive and swap cogs at 4000-4500rpm. Use the torque of the motor, not it's revs, and I'll wager you'll get better accelleration ...

Just look at the reviews and times being posted in all the various road tests. Even FPV have said the GT is a quicker car. However I am sure the phoon has greater poterntial.

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Where did FPV say that? The test results published thus far indicate the accelleration in all gears is quicker in the Typhoon, by good margins. For some reason they don't seem to have good SS times - refer to my comment above for my own interpretation of why this is so ... people haven't worked out yet how to utilize the massive low down torque this motor has.

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You could be right about the way I have driven the car. Biut I have driven many different cars from HSVs, GTs XR6T, WRxs so I am not sure if it was entirely me. Don't get me wrong once the boost comes on, the car does move. That is why I mentioned this car would be great on the freeway or the race track. My issue was the way the boost came on in normal driving conditions, considering there is 500NM. Too enjoy this car you really have to fang it.

One thing I did find which might explain the SS times, the car was diificult too launch. We just need to be careful with in gear accelerations as they do not tell the whole story. The Phoon and XR6T are quicker than the V8s for 80-120km/h test. This could be a result of the gearing and also where in the rev range the cars were in. Each car will have its own sweet spot the V8s might be quicker from 70-100km/h or 100-130kmh, 110-140kmh. As we don't know we can't draw to many conclusions from these 80-110 rolling start times.

FPV have stated ( I think it was in either the Wheels or Motor magazine) that F6 is quicker to 0-100km/h but the GT will pass by the 1/4 mile and continu eto accelrate away. So far the tests have shown this.

Actually all this talk about times is really immaterial at the end of the day, both are good cars and which ever one people buy I am sure they will be very happy.

We are lucky too have such two different cars too choose from.

[vuster]

I will not be happy after spending 60K on a Typhoon and then seeing stock XR6 Turbo's drive straight past me.

[TheTaipan]

If I can correctly recall, don't Wheels have a requirement that all cars are tested with a full tank and a passenger? The idea being to emulate how they perform with a normal load on the "street" (Calder Park is hardly represtentative of the "street" though)...

Couldnt agree more Mr T. Wheels testers drive like were taking Miss Daisy to church on Sunday morning. NFI if you ask me.

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[TheTaipan]

We just need to be careful with in gear accelerations as they do not tell the whole story. The Phoon and XR6T are quicker than the V8s for 80-120km/h test. This could be a result of the gearing and also where in the rev range the cars were in. Each car will have its own sweet spot the V8s might be quicker from 70-100km/h or 100-130kmh, 110-140kmh. As we don't know we can't draw to many conclusions from these 80-110 rolling start times.

I disagree, the 80-120kmph tests were conducted in each gear (with the obvious exceptions of 1st and reverse!) this would indicate different rev ranges and give a good indication of which engine will pull ahead despite being out of its sweet spot.

You are right that perhhaps one of the eights would beat it if we targeted its sweets spot specifically, but perhaps not in all gears - to be quicker in all gears is certainly an indicator of a torquey engine.

[vuster]

I agree. They must have old grannies driving. No offence to any pops on this forum.

I bought the wheels magazine yesterday and the review was very good on the Typhoon.

It compared it to the charger and r34 GTR in one section. Quite a good review actually:

"Maybe this new FPV will never be as exhilarating as the r34 to drive on the track, or as emotionally rewarding as the charger, but you can drive this baby all day and feel like you've had

a lap session with thorpe."

"If you had to own just one car from the awesome trio, FPV's F6 Typhoon is the pick. You can't discount it's enormous all round appeal."

"The typhoon is undoubtedly the best car here, by miles"

I wouldnt' be too concerned with the 6.3sec 0-100km/h published. I checked the STI 0-100km/h times at the back of the wheels mag and it was 5.9 secs. It's pretty common knowledge that STI is much faster than that.