2 recent 'alternative' movies

[Guest Gilto]

Lumpen Proletariat

No Comment on that SPECIFIC optinion little boy.At least the others who don't like the Movie or the Man give REASONS presented in a MATURE way.

Was that comment directed at me by any chance??

Yes it was Gilto. Purely because of the ' He's a fat boy Nyah Nyah' Mentality, akin to a first grader, not the owner of a fine automobile.

Cheers,

Lumpy

PS:I was often the said 'Fat Boy', so I know how he feels :lol:

Fair enough Lumpen Proletariat............

I see where you are coming from, that movie just really got under my skin, that's all. No hard feeling's!

Fully agree with your LOTR comment too! I thought the series was a shocker!

[Guest Gilto]

Farenheit 911 was the most disgusting movie I have ever seen!

Michael Moore is a disgrace, he should spend more time at Jenny Craig than making sh*t like that!

He can't make movies 'cos he's fat????

I guess P Jackson shouldn't have been allowed to make LOTR either????

No JJ_Phantom,

I never said he can't make movies 'cus he's fat.

Me thinks you misunderstood!

[cvanxr]

Here is some left wing bias for you. :lol: Makes interesting reading though.

This individual seeks an executive position. He will be available next January, and is willing to relocate.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Washington, DC 20520

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:

- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

- With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to

intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

- I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

[plonky]

Hmmm

Sounds like a guy that believes in the sovereignty of his country and doesn't with being dictated to by an unlected and undemocratic body such as the United Nations.

Also sounds like a guy that has followed in the traditions and beliefs of other "most despised leaders" such as Reagen, Thatcher and Bush Snr, who have been almost the sole opponents of world Communism and Socialism, and who, at the time, were reviled by the Media, the Arts/Music industry and other 5th Columnists.

Funny how Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union and all of the lies spread by a German Jew living in England and a son of a Czarist official who lead a Revolution have been shown to be false.

Long live Free Enterprise, Individual freedoms and reward for effort !!!

[TurboDewd]

Here here plonky!

although I would never mention George W in the same sentence as any of those leaders you mentioned, I dont think he's Presidential material.

Sounds like a guy that effectively used the lives of 3000 ppl on Sep 11 as an excuse to invade a country on highly dubious grounds. Found no WMD; no Iraq-Al Qaeda ties; no threats by Iraq to attack the US.

[plonky]

Here here plonky!

although I would never mention George W in the same sentence as any of those leaders you mentioned, I dont think he's Presidential material.

Sounds like a guy that effectively used the lives of 3000 ppl on Sep 11 as an excuse to invade a country on highly dubious grounds. Found no WMD; no Iraq-Al Qaeda ties; no threats by Iraq to attack the US.

True, but your views of the liberation of Iraq are based upon what WESTERN media commentators and European aspirants for economic superiority have said. In particular, the French (Pfft) who stand to lose a great deal of income exploiting Third World economies to support their egalitarian (read welfare) lifestyle, and the Germans who, (have formed a socialist Govt with a coalition of the Red/Green Party - socialists aligning with the Green radicals to defeat the conservative free economy party)

I think the Sunni majority in Iraq would be greatful for the removal of Hussein and his Baath'ist dictatorship.

I can't see where the implementation of democratic Government is a region which is soley fuedal/theocratic or totalitarian can be frowned upon.

The increase of AlQueada operations in Iraq shows that these fanatics are not anti US - they are anti democracy.

Fanatics such as these are afraid of majority rule as it undermines their own little feifdoms.

It is democracy that is under attack - representative democracy where the majority vote for people to represent them in a Parliament. They may not always agree with the the individual representative on singular issues but they support the mindset that they represent.

A positive issue that has been undeplayed is the acquiescence of Umwar Qu'Daafhi in Lybya. Once he saw that Hussein was removed and the country was liberated with the installation of a democratic Government, Qu'Daafhi has announced that he will stop his WMD programme, no longer sponsor terrorism and accepted liability for the destruction of a commercial airliner over Scotland in the '80's.

He has seen the writing on the wall for totalitarian regimes such as his and has preempted any forced removal of power by accepting demands that he has resisted for decades.

Robert Mugabe has to realise this....it is no longer acceptable to be a Stalin imitator as he too will have his day very soon.

[BA_Turbs]

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

It was convincingly subjective and unbiased until this post. Sorry, that's where the author couldn't help themselves and they lost me. I don't really have a strong opinion on Bush, so they might have had me up until then.

[TurboDewd]

plonky,

my observations are based up on the info that has crossed my path. Nothing to do with Germans/French/Canadians/Brits or anyone else.

I understand those 'insurgents' (whatever they are?!) are actually largely locals - not Al Qaeda - choosing to fight the invaders/liberators via pretty nasty means. A lot of ex-military chappies I believe. The war is still on in their minds. Someone hand them the script! :lol:

The morality of an action depends on the motivation behind it. Whether the invasion/liberation of Iraq is good or bad depends on the motivations behind it. The motivation comes from Wolfowitz & Co, they are the 'ideas men' - not Bush.

[plonky]

The beauty of a democracy

We can agree to disagree

I respect your right to have an opinion even though it differs from mine

[Lumpen]

Hmmm

Sounds like a guy that believes in the sovereignty of his country and doesn't with being dictated to by an unlected and undemocratic body such as the United Nations.

Also sounds like a guy that has followed in the traditions and beliefs of other "most despised leaders" such as Reagen, Thatcher and Bush Snr, who have been almost the sole opponents of world Communism and Socialism, and who, at the time, were reviled by the Media, the Arts/Music industry and other 5th Columnists.

Funny how Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union and all of the lies spread by a German Jew living in England and a son of a Czarist official who lead a Revolution have been shown to be false.

Long live Free Enterprise, Individual freedoms and reward for effort !!!....

IF he believed in Sovreignty of HIS country he would not have disrespected the sovreignty of another or is it the age old American Imperialist Belief of what we say goes?

Look at what Reagan did: sold Weapon to Iraq AND Iran, AT THE SAME TIME! Sponsored Illegal Right Wing Guerilla Armies (esp in South America) that terrorised civilians and legal governments and sent thousands upon thousands citizens out of work.

But I suppose he did 'Bring Down the Iron Curtain'

Thatcher, well she: Sold Landmines and weapons to any guerilla army that would take them, expecially both sides of the Cambodian civil war*. Invaded an island in the middle of nowhere for oil and put hundreds and thousands of people out of work

But I suppose she did 'Bring Down the Unions'

Bush Snr, surprisingly enough, I need to research him more, to discuss the Pros <seconds> and the Cons <hours> :lol:

Democratic Socialism, like Australia WAS like (irregardless of elected government) just after the war is the best way forward, people working to HELP each other, not striving for the almighty dollar! People willing to give someone a CHANCE, not look at the bottom line.

*I always find it amusing that people call Vietnam communists that only love other commos, Called Pol Pot a commo that only loved other commos, but when Red China backed Vietnam attempted to otherthrow the bloodthirsty muderous, but British backed Pol Pot, they were the bad guy.