Adr Compliance Issues

[Guest LOK@ChipTorque]

Hmm

Fair call Doc. For the vast majority I'm sure that's true.

And beyond that, all credit to Peter and APS for getting the ADR testing done before ChipTorque/Nizpro have. If I was based in Melbourne..........??? :(

THERE ARE NO TEST FACILITIES AT ALL FOR THIS IN QUEENSLAND. As soon as I CAN get into the test facility I will be able to post as such.

Thanks

Lachlan

[hypnodoc]

No offence intended Doc, though you have completely missed the point, these are state and federal laws we are talking about. You cant even get a road worthy certificate in VIC or NSW if the car does not comply to these regulations. We are now in 2004 not in a time warp stuck in the 50's.

PETER

APS

No offence taken Peter.

But according to roadworthy laws in all states, I don't think that there is a car on the road even in this new milennium that would pass all the required test considering they could hang you for even a tiny oil drip from your rocker cover if they want to get technical, and there are a lot of sh!tboxes on the road to get through before they go after near new machines. Having said that, it is an honerable thing that APS have done in spending the R&D money to make sure that the mods are on the right side of the fence and therefore 100% legal. I just think you have to be doing something pretty radical dangerous or offensive to become a target of these transport *beep*.

[aps]

No offence intended Doc, though you have completely missed the point, these are state and federal laws we are talking about. You cant even get a road worthy certificate in VIC or NSW if the car does not comply to these regulations. We are now in 2004 not in a time warp stuck in the 50's.

PETER

APS

No offence taken Peter.

But according to roadworthy laws in all states, I don't think that there is a car on the road even in this new milennium that would pass all the required test considering they could hang you for even a tiny oil drip from your rocker cover if they want to get technical, and there are a lot of sh!tboxes on the road to get through before they go after near new machines. Having said that, it is an honerable thing that APS have done in spending the R&D money to make sure that the mods are on the right side of the fence and therefore 100% legal. I just think you have to be doing something pretty radical dangerous or offensive to become a target of these transport *beep*.

Not really DOC, the EPA, POLICE,and RTA sit outside the drag strip, car club meetings, auto salon's, Lygon street, Chapel street, anyplace where performance cars may be. Its now a frequent problem in large cities, maybe not Perth or Adelaide though in Sydney and melbourne I speak to customers weekly who have been DEFECTED for exhaust mods, air cleaner mods, blow off valves,lowered suspension, big camshafts,superchargers, turbochargers, etc. etc, this is a real and increasing problem. The Authorities are hell bent on stopping cars being modified, and call it revenue raising if you will . In any event this is what we in the high performance after market need to resist. As a group rather than put our head in the sand, we should just accept the facts unite and fight the relevant departments so we can all continue to enjoy our passion without being hassled.

PETER

APS

[teebone]

will an air cleaner mod on it's own actually affect the ADR regulated emmissions levels or is this more of a potential ADR/EPA noise level issue?

....and Is this the same for exhaust mods (when still using the original OE cat)?

[aps]

will an air cleaner mod on it's own actually affect the ADR regulated emmissions levels or is this more of a potential ADR/EPA noise level issue?

....and Is this the same for exhaust mods (when still using the original OE cat)?

An air cleaner element on its own in the original housing wont be a problem, though if you change the entire factory air cleaner assembly to say a pod type filter this would impact on emmisions and police or an EPA officer will defect the car.

If you intend retaining the stock ford cat ,I would not bother changing the exhaust system ( cat back ) as it wont yeild any additional power. As long as you retain the stock cat in the factory position the EPA wont give you any grief,unless the noise is over the 90 DB noise limit.

PETER

APS

[1axr]

peter

the guys on this forum must like keeping there head in the sand.

they would rather fix there own brake faults rather than getting off there bums and taking it to the ford motor company to get something done about the s--t brakes on there cars.

[aps]

peter

the guys on this forum must like keeping there head in the sand.

they would rather fix there own brake faults rather than getting off there bums and taking it to the ford motor company to get something done about the s--t brakes on there cars.

Maybe so, though I feel that many members just dont know what is required in terms of street legality when modding a car for performance.We can only try help, you know the old saying you can lead a horse to water though you cant make it drink, I now understand what it meant.

PETER

APS

[CnC]

ADR compliance is certainly something to be complimented, and hopefully other kit manufacturers will soon follow the lead of APS on this important issue.

[thetoyman75]

Hang on just a second here people!

Unless the Engineering requirements changed overnight there is some real

misinformation here. I can only speak for NSW regulations so sorry to the

interstaters but Engineering concerns are something I deal with on a

weekly basis.

Firstly there is a broad suggestion here that if you have the APS kit all

is sweet and dandy. Just to clarify something here. Whilst when tuned

correctly I'm sure it can all be sweet and dandy, but UNLESS you have your

SPECIFIC mods and your SPECIFIC vehicle engineered you're just as defectable

as everyone else.

Any performance changes to your car can be used as a defectable offence by

the police/RTA unless you have your car engineered. This however is a

relatively easy thing to do and in the scheme of things is quite

inexpensive.

An engineers certificate can ONLY be provided by an approved RTA

signatory. There is a worksheet available from the RTA that lists them. It

is Vehicle Standards Information Sheet no.15. You can also download the

PDF here:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/do...s/vsi/vsi15.pdf

Expect it cost anywhere from $500 and up for the paperwork, but hey what

did the car cost you ??

There are 4 basic area's of concern with the XR6T upgrade packages in

terms of engineering. (Any car for that matter)

Emissions

Exhaust

Intake

BOV

There are plenty of finer points but the basic requirements aren't that

hard to meet.

Firstly, Emissions - In NSW the EPA encourages tuners and vehicle

owners to have their cars meet the emission requirements. As such the

rolling road emissions test (which is all your engineer requires) is FREE

as part of any blue slip or engineering certificate requirement. All you

need to do is book a time at the Penrith testing centre (Only open Mondays

and Tuesdays). They are good guys and don't black mark you if fail. They

are there to help. If your car has been tuned to suit then just about any

quality ECU or Piggyback can pass. By the same token your chances are only

as good as your tuner and it can take an attempt or two to pass. Remember

no Tuning workshop in existence has the same testing gear as the RTA. They

don't just test what comes out the pipe. They suck ALL the air out of the

room !

Exhaust - There are some basic requirements - keep it under the

legal noise limit, it MUST have a catalytic converter. Of course keep your

ground

clearance requirements in mind. Rule of thumb 100mm ground clearance is a

must.

Intake - Intake mods have some noise limitations as well but

basically, Pod filters are frowned on so the best way to go is with a

panel filter in the factory airbox. Speak to your engineer for the finer

points

BOV - You can change your Blow off Valve BUT it MUST be a plumb back

or recirculating type.

There are many areas that can be considered for engineering. Wheels, tyres

, suspension etc all needs to be engineered as well, but this thread was

about performance enhancing parts and tuning so I am sticking to that. If

you really want to get into it, the RTA can provide the exact standards a

2003/2004 car has to meet. I don't have those worksheets with me right

now.

Sorry its such a long post but I lurk around here a lot and generally keep

to myself. My guys (I am president of a modified car club) get misinformed

about stuff all the time and it's just a pet hate of mine. Too many people

are scared to modify their cars because they have been told the wrong

thing and that's not good for any of us.

Brian, I know your not concerned about it but, to the best of my knowledge,

if given an emissions tune there is no reason your car cannot be

engineered. There is certainly nothing that makes the APS kit anymore

engineerable than anyone else's (Sorry Peter)

Thanks for listening and I hope that helps everyone. I'm back off under

the rock I crawled out from under lol

[cdm]

Thanks for the great info toyman! I'm sure many members will find this very interesting and now that you have popped out from 'under the rock' I don't think you will be allowed back. The more info the merrier!

Cheers,

Chris