F6 RAPID Formerly Turbo6 Donating Members 2,332 Member For: 22y 6m 11d Location: North Brisbane Posted 28/12/03 11:26 PM Author Share Posted 28/12/03 11:26 PM Hey, Turbo6. How's the gearbox going? Have you had to replace it yet? Touch wood - so far so good.It is not grinding or making any other funny noises.....yet. Gear selection is still as good as it ever was, which is rubbish anyway. I don't slam changes through or anything too brutal as I am trying to have some compassion for it waiting ever so patiently for the series 2's. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geea Site protagonist Lifetime Members 4,320 Member For: 22y 2m 7d Gender: Male Location: At the lights, waiting for you. Posted 29/12/03 12:38 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 12:38 AM Geea,how's the transmission going on the car and after how many Ks did you get the chip installed?cheers I got the chip after about 16000km, its awesome. The transmission has always had a slight slip from 2nd-3rd at full noise (130-140kmph). The slip is more noticable with the extra power though. Ford are aware that there was a problem and there is a revised valve body. I took the service supervisor for a spin up Ferntreegully Rd and showed him the problem, the first time I took off to the 2-3 change he noticed it (he seemed to be a bit worried) , so I said "I better show you again on the way back". He organised a new valve body straight away, which will be put in as soon as it comes back from the panel beaters. :banghead: Geea. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordboy1981 Donating Members 2,075 Member For: 22y 6m 1d Gender: Male Location: Sydney, NSW Posted 29/12/03 02:06 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 02:06 AM you this always seem to happen.....I post a really big post that I would like answers to and no one sees it because it was left at the end of the other page!!! :(hang on, I'll post it again:"how come these ChipTorque modded cars are making over 50 extra rwkws and they don't need bigger fuel pumps and injectors like the APS cars??so all you need is the removal of the centre muffler and an Exde??XR6-T in stock form : 170-180rwkws non shootout 180-200rwkws in shootout modeAPS ST2 XR6-T : 266rwkws in shootout mode, that's a 60-75rwkw increase.Exde XR6-T : 230rwkws in NON shootout mode, that's a 50-60rwkws increase.so please explain to me why I would spend $5500 on a ST2 APS kit when I can spend under $2000 on a Exde/removal of centre muffler and get ALMOST the same result??"Dave. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6 RAPID Formerly Turbo6 Donating Members 2,332 Member For: 22y 6m 11d Location: North Brisbane Posted 29/12/03 02:20 AM Author Share Posted 29/12/03 02:20 AM Exde XR6-T : 230rwkws in NON shootout mode, that's a 50-60rwkws increase.so please explain to me why I would spend $5500 on a ST2 APS kit when I can spend under $2000 on a Exde/removal of centre muffler and get ALMOST the same result??"Dave. You said it Dave - why would you?Exact mods to my ute are :1. Centre muffler removed2. UniFilter Rampod in place of standard airbox and my patented heat shielding (the boys will know what I am talking about :lol: )3. Bigger fuel regulator4. Xede from Chip TorqueOn Redcliffe's dyno, again witnessed by many from this forum, on a very hot and humid Brisbane day (probably mid 30's in the dyno area) the ute put out 350HP at the wheels - or translated, 260KW's. That was in Shootout 8 mode.That is very, very cheap power. On Chip Torque's dyno, it was about 230kws at the wheels, NOT in shootout mode but again, very hot when run.Now, we are going to change the fuel pump and injectors to throw some more fuel in to go a little harder - keeping in mind that the gearbox has to last......... Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordboy1981 Donating Members 2,075 Member For: 22y 6m 1d Gender: Male Location: Sydney, NSW Posted 29/12/03 02:52 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 02:52 AM so how much boost are you running?Dave. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl Toughest BA Turbo Lifetime Members 3,408 Member For: 22y 6m 24d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 29/12/03 02:53 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 02:53 AM Dave,Once you get to around 230-250rwkw your injectors will max out.In any event you don't really want to run an injector duty cycle more than 85-90%, so in reality it's then time for an upgrade even below this power level.APS stage 2 pump & injectors are sized large enough for a stage 3 upgrade, and similarly for most of the other vendors (e.g RDP, Nizpro etc).If you want to run a mild exhaust change, air box, and XEDE, and enough boost to get to say 230rwkw, and do it on the cheap as your Stage 1, that's your choice. (optionally you could at this stage add a rising rate fuel regulator ... I wouldn't ... or change your fuel pump to say a 550 HP direct replacement, or add a Bosch in-line 600HP pump, for around $400)If you then add a fuel fump and injectors you'll need to get the XEDE retuned, so you'll be up for additional tuning costs. Again, that's your choice.Brian Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geea Site protagonist Lifetime Members 4,320 Member For: 22y 2m 7d Gender: Male Location: At the lights, waiting for you. Posted 29/12/03 03:01 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 03:01 AM you this always seem to happen.....I post a really big post that I would like answers to and no one sees it because it was left at the end of the other page!!! :(Dave Dave, my post at the top of this page was also a reply to you're post. :o Geea. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordboy1981 Donating Members 2,075 Member For: 22y 6m 1d Gender: Male Location: Sydney, NSW Posted 29/12/03 03:06 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 03:06 AM well this is what I've worked out....exde - $1400injectors - $600 (I have a mate who works for bosch)pump - $400center muffler removal - $100--------------------------------------total - $2500now shouldn't that be good for 300rwkws??it would be good if APS would sell their intercooler kit seperately.Dave. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl Toughest BA Turbo Lifetime Members 3,408 Member For: 22y 6m 24d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 29/12/03 04:03 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 04:03 AM Dave,300rwkw is fairly ambitious, but achievable.... but you would have to drive with far higher boost pressures than I'd recommend.The risk is yours.You still have 2 obstacles:1. The high pressure drop (around 3-4lb) across the standard IC, and it's flow capacity.There are other ICs available other than APS's.2. The restrictive cat.There are several options available e.ga. a dual system say 2.5", with dual cats (of the more restrictive type).b. as I use, a 3.5" down pipe into a 3.5" cat with hi-flow steel-mesh ceramic coated internals, into a dual system, say 2.5" all the way back, no centre muffler, available from Tuffys in Sydney.I know both of these exhaust systems have been used successfully with the XEDE, and of course my (Tuffy) system has been tested with Nizpro Stage 2 & 3 systems.Brian Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geea Site protagonist Lifetime Members 4,320 Member For: 22y 2m 7d Gender: Male Location: At the lights, waiting for you. Posted 29/12/03 06:27 AM Share Posted 29/12/03 06:27 AM well this is what I've worked out....exde - $1400injectors - $600 (I have a mate who works for bosch)pump - $400center muffler removal - $100--------------------------------------total - $2500now shouldn't that be good for 300rwkws??it would be good if APS would sell their intercooler kit seperately.Dave. What injectors would they be? What is the normal retail price of them?Geea. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/5705-chip-torque-mod/page/9/#findComment-77279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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