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What do guys think of this, I think it looks ok.

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I reckon they look pretty cool. If I didn't already have an XR8 bonnet I'd probably get one

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I wouldnt waste my money ... If it has not been tested then my guess is that it does not work. I would love to see the wobble of the bonnet at 200kph!

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If you like the "look" I suppose

The T really could use a vent. You can tell a T at a track day, it's the one with the bonnet open between laps... Gets WAY to hot under there if you get serious. As said earlier, it should be a nice long thin thing facing the other way, up near the windscreen to let Mr Bernouli do his stuff.

Cold air in the front, hot air out the back.

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Lifted from Autospeed, sorry that the tables dont quite line up but you can figure it out.

Bonnet vents are openings designed to exhaust air – to promote the flow of air out from under the bonnet. As covered in detail in Part 1 of this series (Undertrays, Spoiler & Bonnet Vents, Part 1), air movement will occur only when there is a pressure differential. So, to cause air to flow out from under the bonnet, what’s needed is an underbonnet pressure that is greater than the pressure on top of the bonnet... at the exact location where the vent is.

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Pressure on top of the bonnet? Why would there be any? The pressure on the surface of the bodywork depends on the aerodynamic flows over it. This DaimlerChrysler graphic shows the typical frontal pressure distribution of a car. Looking just at the bonnet you can see that there is low pressure (blue) where the air wraps around the leading edge of the bonnet, grading to high pressure (green) as the air reaches the obstruction which is the windscreen.

So you wouldn’t site a bonnet outlet vent close to the windscreen – in fact that’s usually where the cabin ventilation inlet ducts are... they’re taking advantage of that high pressure! Looking at just the exterior pressures, what we want at the vent location is the very lowest external pressure.

That’s the theory – but what about on the road? By using the Magnehelic gauge (see the previous parts in this series for more on these gauges), it’s dead-easy to directly measure the pressures over the outside of the bonnet. Simple run a tube from the Magnehelic gauge to the area to be measured, making sure that the open end of the tube is at right-angles to the direction of airflow. Leave the other port of the gauge open, and swap the tube from port to port, depending on whether you find that you’re measuring a high or low pressure.

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This is exactly what we did on the Maxima, using the same 80 km/h road speed for all testing. The results were astounding – not because they reflected the textbook example shown in the graphic above, but because the pressure variations were so great! As can be seen here, the front half of the bonnet surface was clearly a negative pressure zone, while the rear half was all in positive pressure. And the further forwards the measurements were taken, the lower the pressure; and the further backwards, the higher the pressures!

In Part 2 of this series we measured the maximum underbonnet pressure at 80 km/h as 0.4 inches of water – and here, near to the windscreen, the surface pressure was 0.6 inches! IOTW, place a bonnet vent at this location and air will be flowing in from outside - ie through the vent and into the engine bay! So much for relieving the pressure under the bonnet...

Clearly, the further forward that the vents were to be placed, the lower the available outside pressures.

But the outside pressures are literally only half the story. What about the underbonnet pressures? As mentioned above, with the new-design undertray in place, the maximum pressures under the bonnet (again at 80 km/h) was 0.4 inches. This was recorded across the rear half of the engine bay. At the front of the engine bay (in reality, about 30cm back from the radiator), the underbonnet pressure was 0.1 inches.

So what were the alternatives?

Leading Edge of Bonnet, Front Third of Bonnet , Midpoint of Bonnet , Rear of Bonnet

Above bonnet pressure

-0.5 , -0.3 , 0.1 , +0.6 ,

Below bonnet pressure

0.1 , 0.1 , 0.3 , 0.4 ,

Difference

0.6 , 0.4 , 0.2 , -0.2 ,

For reasons of aerodynamic drag (which we’ve not touched on at all in this series), it is normal to direct the air out of vents as parallel to the surface as possible. This causes least turbulence. But of course bonnet vent selection also depends on issues like price, durability and aesthetics – bonnet vents are much more visible than undertrays! Taking into account all of these factors, I purchased from a boating supplies shop (Whitworth’s Nautical World) some stainless steel louvred vents. These were 325 x 111mm and cost AUD$19.50 each.

The vents were bought prior to making the above pressure measurements (silly boy!) and I had figured they would be installed north-south, ie with their long axis parallel with the car. However, after making the pressure measurements, I realised that this would put a considerable portion of each vent in a less than ideal area of pressure – it would be like each vent was only half as big as it really was...

I then reconsidered. What was really required was a vent that could be mounted east-west, ie across the bonnet. This would be best sited as far forward as possible: realistically, about where -0.3 surface pressure existed. In fact, the shape of the vent wouldn’t be all that different to a ventilation inlet grille at the base of the windscreen – except it would be sited a long way forward and exiting (rather than entrancing) air.

A trip to the wreckers and a long walk around the yard found the ideal vents – the ventilation inlet vents on a Expensive Daewoo VL Commodore, which are normally positioned in the trailing edge of the bonnet. The cost was AUD$10 for the pair.Measurements

As we’ve covered, there are two ways of assessing the effectiveness of the new vent:

1) measure underbonnet pressure

2) measure the pressure difference across the intercooler (or radiator, etc)

In this case the underbonnet pressure itself didn’t concern me all that much – I wanted as much airflow through the intercooler as possible and that would depend on the pressures each side of the ‘cooler!

However, underbonnet pressures were measured first.

New Undertray Bonnet Vent Rear of bonnet

0.4 inches 0.3 inches

Near intercooler 0.1 inches 0.1 inches

As the table above shows, the underbonnet pressure with the vent in place was unchanged near to the intercooler and down by 25 per cent further rearwards in the engine bay. However, the figure for near the intercooler is a little deceptive, as measuring of the pressure differential showed:

Final Undertray Bonnet vent Intercooler Pressure Differential

0.3 0.4 inches

Yes, as can be seen in the above table, the measured pressure differential across the intercooler at 80 km/h averaged 0.4 inches – up from 0.3 without the bonnet vent. But if the underbonnet pressure was unchanged, where did the extra difference come from? The answer is in the ‘average’ prefix – the new difference ‘averaged’ 0.4 inches.

Prior to the bonnet vent being installed, the pressure differential across the intercooler was fairly stable at 0.3 inches of water. But with the bonnet vents installed, even the slightest gust of wind caused the pressure differential to leap. Driving through some hilly urban areas on what was apparently a calm day, tiny gusts of wind took the pressure difference as high as 0.6 inches! This lifted my subjective ‘average’ figure from 0.3 to 0.4 inches of water.

This effect could also be observed at higher speeds – the pressure differential increased considerably as the car went faster, whereas before the bonnet vent was installed, the pressure difference across the intercooler had remained pretty well constant.

Final Tally

Concentrating on the pressure difference across the underbonnet intercooler, what do the final figures look like? (This is the scorecard of the entire three part series!)

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Over having no undertray at all, the fitting of the new undertray and bonnet vent have lifted the pressure difference across the intercooler from minus 0.1 to plus 0.4 inches of water. Or to put it another way, the pressure difference across the intercooler has been increased by a factor of five! You can't therefore say that there's now five times as much external airflow through the intercooler at 80 km/h, but you can be sure that it has risen considerably. The measured intake air temp certainly shows that the intercooler is now working far better.

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Extreme (comparitively) low pressure near the front of a bonnet is caused by a separation bubble due to the grill / bonnet intersection angle (too sharp a turn for the air).

This is why bonnet outlets (with proper ducting, not just holes) here are great for radiator / intercooler cooling. The flow throught the ducts actually reduces aerodynamic drag across the bonnet. Basically it 'fills' the low-pressure bubble.

Unless you go to the trouble of ducting before, after and from the rad / IC the results are never going to be ideal because there is no defined frow path for the air.

At least with vents nearer the back, the flow over the holes will extract some of the hot engine bay air and provides another path for for the higher pressure internal air to exit.

The back of the bulge on a XR8-style bonnet seems like it would be actually quite a good place.

It's far enough forward from the high pressure zone at the base of the windshield (behind rear bonnet lip), the forward side of the bulge has laminar flow as do the sides.

The rear seems to have a large negative pressure area extending from the top rear backwards onto the bonnet behind the bulge.

Obviously, it's also the high point above the motor. This is good for convection when slowed or stopped.

Doesn't the front grille opening also allow flow directed upwards across the underside of the bonnet above the radiator?

If so, there is a stream of air waiting to be tapped. Might even get some kind of slight flow from lower down in the engine bay too then. Prob'ly not as the bay air flow wouldnt be smooth but you never know.

Watch water on the bonnet at speeds above say 80km/h to see what I mean.

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By the way, if that white car is what's being talked about, he still should've had the vent facing the other way. It would work even better!

Wedge shapes like that scoop make their own low / negative pressure area at the back due to the shape.

Seriously, if forward facing EXIT vents were so good, why dont aircraft or race cars use them?

At least a FLAT vent in the bonnet, not in INTAKE SCOOP. And ducting from the IC to the vent.

Seems pretty half-assed to me.

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Sorry wrong photo,that's not the bonnet vent, its an intake for the intercooler.(not a fan but it works)

I have added the banner which shows the vent placement

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Gotta say, I hope that crap works coz it sure does look :spoton: .

Ive seen Commodores that look better than that (no, not VL's :useless: ).

Better performance is good, but if the car ends up looking like a riced-up hyundai, I'll stick to factory stock.

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