An Edit Is An Edit

[Street Tuner]

Hey Martin, I think I still have the quickest time for a BA Falcon in SA.

Geea.

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Sad when you can only win the away games, and get hosed at home

[TBO240]

"I just think someones trying to shift some units before the monopoly ends."

defiantly has some sort of underlying agenda

[JB]

Hey Martin, I think I still have the quickest time for a BA Falcon in SA.

Geea.

Sad when you can only win the away games, and get hosed at home

guess you will be cancelling that order now Craig?

All that work by phoenix, for well...............................................

[geea]

Hey Martin, I think I still have the quickest time for a BA Falcon in SA.

Geea.

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Sad when you can only win the away games, and get hosed at home

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guess you will be cancelling that order now Craig?

All that work by phoenix, for well...............................................

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Nah JB. I'll get an edit and the same 110ron fuel and be in the 10's with 131mph.

[Guest]

Hey Martin, I think I still have the quickest time for a BA Falcon in SA.

Geea.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sad when you can only win the away games, and get hosed at home

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

guess you will be cancelling that order now Craig?

All that work by phoenix, for well...............................................

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Nah JB. I'll get an edit and the same 110ron fuel and be in the 10's with 131mph.

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hmmm funny that as this would mean that the only one to beat then was deano and walla you did?

sorry deano well get craig down the strip next time you are out I like to see the expressions on graigs face both when getting the time and when not!!

to me that's what makes the night not the actual drags its the people!!!

now honestly was martini fuels involved with the nizpro runs?

not having a go but if you hear a rumour once well you let it go but ive heard it now from more than 10 sources! dont know simon seems to be a great guy and I did not think he would say 98 ron but he didn't you did I think martin please tell us the truth!!! or that he did actually use pump fuel of 98 or lesser!

just trying to clarify these rumours!!!

[bcl]

now honestly was martini fuels involved with the nizpro runs?

not having a go but if you hear a rumour once well you let it go but ive heard it now from more than 10 sources! dont know simon seems to be a great guy and I did not think he would say 98 ron but he didn't you did I think martin please tell us the truth!!! or that he did actually use pump fuel of 98 or lesser!

just trying to clarify these rumours!!!

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Nick.

Keep up with the posts

ref http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.ph...pic=16148&st=50

The martini 102 fuel is official fuel for the ame competition this year.

Brian

[Lawsy]

just reading a few different threads and starting to get a jist of peoples reactions for the ford ba range edit both pro and cons.

just want to repeat my thoughts posted on another topic thread.

it seems that consumers have been led to beleive that one edit is going to be better than another and are holding off until the other is released. if this is the case in your situation what are you waiting FOR. ONLY THE TUNER/WORKSHOP can give you your optimum tune not different brand edits. one screwdriver cannot tune better than the other in the same tuners hand.

so if you are waiting for that magic screwdriver, marketing has worked well on you.   the competion is good for price but ultimately get to know your local tuner/workshop for the best tune for your car- dosent matter which edit he feels comfortable using.

david

And you dont know enough about programming of EEPROMS that run car ECU software.

Sure tuning can make a big difference, but dont minimise the products influence too.

There are several ways that Edit type software can be done, and it is very simplistic to say there wont be any MAJOR differences between them. There definitely can be huge differences.

There are two main ways to do the so-called Edit software.

1) Work out how the existing one works. Work out where it stores its values in the registers (memory). Alter those registers (many of which are pre-set in the factory ECU tune), and you can therefore alter things like max boost, various mappings etc. You then upload that slightly modified standard ECU software to the ECU.

2) Reverse engineer the factory code. Find out what it does, what it expects from the various sensors, what it sends to the various parts of the car, and also how it reacts to various scenarios. (You can do most of that on a dyno). Create code that does the same, but since you wrote this code (even though it may be based on reverse engineered ie decompiled code) you can make it do whatever you want, and make software that allows tweaking and the production of new binary files that can then be uploaded to the car.

The differences between the two can be VAST. The first one allows you to change things within the parameters established by the factory software. This can be good as often factory software is well written.

However the second, if done properly, can be even better. Not only can it theoretically do everything the factory software can do, but as you are writing your own software not just changing values, you can also get it to do extra things that arent even available to the factory software.

So, although you have tried to make it look simple, tried to make the products look equal, and tried to say people are being sucked in by advertising, you are saying so without understanding how these factory systems work, and how these custom modified binary files are created. If you dont understand that, you cant understand everything that they can do. If you dont understand what they can do, then you definitely cant say they are all equal.

Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

QED.

I just think someones trying to shift some units before the monopoly ends.

It's unfortunate that joe consumer can't make his/her own decisions based on what they feel comfortable with, and not be victims of a sales campaign...

No-one can tell me product x is better than product y, if there is no product y..

btw, it's not just the product being sold. It's a complete package, down to the feature set, customer relations/service, warranty etc etc etc..

The current Edit can modify the entire engine/transmission memory allocation, has already reverse engineered the software and gives tables and values for every modifyable function available within the ECU's programable range.

Whether its a new binary file or based on the existing one, it doesn't matter. If you know what every variable does and you have modified each one to your exacting specifications then there is no point on writing the whole thing again.

Things like dashboard re assignment, as far as I am aware (I'd love to be 100% sure on this though, so please correct me if I'm wrong), are controlled seperately...

Knowing this, then you can clearly see that, in this instance, an edit is an edit. I'm sure APS are not going to release something that is limited and from the information provided (which has mostly been proven already) the current one isn't.

But whatever.... As long as the thing grabs the engine by the balls and shoots them out of a cannon down the quarter mile, who cares, right?

[Guest]

now honestly was martini fuels involved with the nizpro runs?

not having a go but if you hear a rumour once well you let it go but ive heard it now from more than 10 sources! dont know simon seems to be a great guy and I did not think he would say 98 ron but he didn't you did I think martin please tell us the truth!!! or that he did actually use pump fuel of 98 or lesser!

just trying to clarify these rumours!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nick.

Keep up with the posts

ref http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.ph...pic=16148&st=50

The martini 102 fuel is official fuel for the ame competition this year.

Brian

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sorry brian to be behind in the latest gossip but I honestly thought martin had said pump fuel and then you here all these roumors and see posts like the ones above!

have not had the time to get on lately for more than say 30 mins so a lot of posts and threads sliped me by!!!

[JB]

just reading a few different threads and starting to get a jist of peoples reactions for the ford ba range edit both pro and cons.

just want to repeat my thoughts posted on another topic thread.

it seems that consumers have been led to beleive that one edit is going to be better than another and are holding off until the other is released. if this is the case in your situation what are you waiting FOR. ONLY THE TUNER/WORKSHOP can give you your optimum tune not different brand edits. one screwdriver cannot tune better than the other in the same tuners hand.

so if you are waiting for that magic screwdriver, marketing has worked well on you.   the competion is good for price but ultimately get to know your local tuner/workshop for the best tune for your car- dosent matter which edit he feels comfortable using.

david

And you dont know enough about programming of EEPROMS that run car ECU software.

Sure tuning can make a big difference, but dont minimise the products influence too.

There are several ways that Edit type software can be done, and it is very simplistic to say there wont be any MAJOR differences between them. There definitely can be huge differences.

There are two main ways to do the so-called Edit software.

1) Work out how the existing one works. Work out where it stores its values in the registers (memory). Alter those registers (many of which are pre-set in the factory ECU tune), and you can therefore alter things like max boost, various mappings etc. You then upload that slightly modified standard ECU software to the ECU.

2) Reverse engineer the factory code. Find out what it does, what it expects from the various sensors, what it sends to the various parts of the car, and also how it reacts to various scenarios. (You can do most of that on a dyno). Create code that does the same, but since you wrote this code (even though it may be based on reverse engineered ie decompiled code) you can make it do whatever you want, and make software that allows tweaking and the production of new binary files that can then be uploaded to the car.

The differences between the two can be VAST. The first one allows you to change things within the parameters established by the factory software. This can be good as often factory software is well written.

However the second, if done properly, can be even better. Not only can it theoretically do everything the factory software can do, but as you are writing your own software not just changing values, you can also get it to do extra things that arent even available to the factory software.

So, although you have tried to make it look simple, tried to make the products look equal, and tried to say people are being sucked in by advertising, you are saying so without understanding how these factory systems work, and how these custom modified binary files are created. If you dont understand that, you cant understand everything that they can do. If you dont understand what they can do, then you definitely cant say they are all equal.

Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

QED.

I just think someones trying to shift some units before the monopoly ends.

It's unfortunate that joe consumer can't make his/her own decisions based on what they feel comfortable with, and not be victims of a sales campaign...

No-one can tell me product x is better than product y, if there is no product y..

btw, it's not just the product being sold. It's a complete package, down to the feature set, customer relations/service, warranty etc etc etc..

The current Edit can modify the entire engine/transmission memory allocation, has already reverse engineered the software and gives tables and values for every modifyable function available within the ECU's programable range.

Whether its a new binary file or based on the existing one, it doesn't matter. If you know what every variable does and you have modified each one to your exacting specifications then there is no point on writing the whole thing again.

Things like dashboard re assignment, as far as I am aware (I'd love to be 100% sure on this though, so please correct me if I'm wrong), are controlled seperately...

Knowing this, then you can clearly see that, in this instance, an edit is an edit. I'm sure APS are not going to release something that is limited and from the information provided (which has mostly been proven already) the current one isn't.

But whatever.... As long as the thing grabs the engine by the balls and shoots them out of a cannon down the quarter mile, who cares, right?

Hope the APS edit comes with a duty cycle table to control the axuator valve without having to modify it

[Lawsy]

Hope the APS edit comes with a duty cycle table to control the axuator valve without having to modify it

I think you mean actuator? Axuator isn't a word JB. I'm fairly sure you mean't actuator (but others have posted axuator as well which had me somewhat confused). So which one and where on the engine? Would love to know.