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its no wonder we all get pots with the amount of popcorn we eat!

So on a xr6t there is no stand alone computer system avilable than.

Ian

Exactly right Ian you would think that a tuner who install's it would know the difference between a piggyback to a STAND alone

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Cheap shot and uncalled for...

So on a xr6t there is no stand alone computer system avilable than.

Ian

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Ian you might be right.

Back in July when I first decided to mod my car I was refered to Nizpro by motec to have discussions about fitting the motec. During these discussions with Simon I was told that the motec at this point in time could not inter mesh with the auto properly and that function was to be left for the PCM module.

This was a while ago and things may have changed for motec.

I think where people are getting confused between Xede, EMS as examples is that when they refer to stands alone they are refering to ECU like the EMS and motec do all the engine management by directly driving the injectors using the crank angle sensors and their own temp sensor etc. Where as the Xede piggyback manipulates the signals to the PCM which then drives all the engine management functions.

In a word they are all piggybacks in a fashion just different versions and ways to go about it.

I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

macka

your not its just that people here refer to signal benders as piggy backs and full stand alone ecus on most vehicles stand alone where they run in paralel.

in effect you have 2 types of piggy back the signal benders and the paralel systems

I think where people are getting confused between Xede, EMS as examples is that when they refer to stands alone they are refering to ECU like the EMS and motec do all the engine management by directly driving the injectors using the crank angle sensors and their own temp sensor etc. Where as the Xede piggyback manipulates the signals to the PCM which then drives all the engine management functions.

I think that is the way most people look at it in general.In effect to answer my own question any of the so called stand alone units would be able to control fuel and spark independently to the factory ecu from what you guys are saying.It's just a matter of splicing into the correct wires.

Hey Dynowog you sure cop a hammering from certain people for attempting to share some of your knowledge, don't you. A couple of questions for you if you don't mind. What sort of input trigger does the T use (cam or crank)and what input sensors are required to make the EMS do it's job? Also how many ignition outputs are required to fire it up properly? Thanks in adnance.

Peter

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I know(which isn't much) both the Exede and the TSI are piggy back type units.

The thought of spending 7k on a computer alone is ridiculous unless it does my dishes as well.

I was thinking along the lines of Haltech,Wolf,Microtech etc. All in the similar price range as the EMS. Technically speaking would they do the same job as the EMS or does the EMS have something special about the way it controlls fuel and spark etc.

Peter

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Motec M800 will definitely wash your dishes, it is that good!

Motec M800 will definitely wash your dishes, it is that good!

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KBB,

Pretty dear dishwasher at 7K or more fitted and tuned, it would be goodto see someone actually run one on the T for a comparison.

macka

Hey Dynowog you sure cop a hammering from certain people for attempting to share some of your knowledge, don't you.

dw...no1 sucker for punishment

A couple of questions for you if you don't mind. What sort of input trigger does the T use (cam or crank)

dw....2cam and 1crank signal

and what input sensors are required to make the EMS do it's job?

dw....above plus map, water/air temps, tps etc.

Also how many ignition outputs are required to fire it up properly?

dw....6 ignition and 6 injector drivers

Thanks in adnance.

Peter

dw....your welcome peter