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Macka, Jeff has 2 "T's". He has quoted the power and times for both. The 13.12@108.54 mph 242 rwkw's  is for his auto. The 13.01@115mph  302rwkw is for his manual.

Hope this helps clear Jeff's comments up.

Geea.

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the man figures and pretzels close?

[jetute]

Regarding the standard injectors. My old car had 233rwkw's with 2nd CAI, no centre muffler and Xede. With this combination it ran 13.3 on 2 different nights.

The power figures were off HPF's dyno and times were at Calder 12 months ago.

Does anyone know what power street tuna had when he ran the 12.8 in his ute. That could give an indecation of the power too.

Geea.

what do you think you would of run with 233rwkw if your car was a manual though?

[geea]

Regarding the standard injectors. My old car had 233rwkw's with 2nd CAI, no centre muffler and Xede. With this combination it ran 13.3 on 2 different nights.

The power figures were off HPF's dyno and times were at Calder 12 months ago.

Does anyone know what power street tuna had when he ran the 12.8 in his ute. That could give an indecation of the power too.

Geea.

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what do you think you would of run with 233rwkw if your car was a manual though?

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that's a great question. I'm not sure. I haven't had a lot of experience in maual "T's". In stock form the manual, in the hands of a good driver, is possibly marginally ahead of the auto. With a small increase in power I don't see why the manual should be much slower than the auto. That being said JB had 260rwkw's and only mangaed a 13.4@107mph. His clutch was slipping a bit though.

Hope that helps a bit.

Geea.

[Pretzel]

Pretzel,

I am confused about this ... you say your car has 300rwkw when people running similar MPH have measured significantly less than these figures ... just trying to work out if you have got all that much more from stock injectors than anyone else has?!?!

I saw geea mention using your calcs he has 412rwkw ... wha?

Not having a go, just looking for the facts

Cheers, Jason.

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Jason,

Yeah the site I used may be dodgy for it's figures, it was the first one I came across doing a search, so I used it !

Yes, we say that we tuned it for 300rwkw, but the figures at the track are not going to be completely car related...... What I'm saying is that was my only 2 runs down the quarter...... How many people do well without having run say 10 passes ?

I know the car had more in it, but I was trying to be nice as we had destroyed a clutch with it at a slightly higher figure, and don't know exactly where the problems(Slipping) start !

As for what we have out of the stock injectors, if it is 300 as quoted, or 280 as Geea suggests it might be, it is still 40 down on where we had clutch problems (Becaue I asked Dynowog to bring it down to a figure I would opefully be able to run safely) So we are not running a high figure, that will come in time with Gearbox/Clutch !

Does that help ?

Pretzel

[Pretzel]

13.12@108.54 mph Auto 242 rwkw's

13.01@115mph Manual 302rwkw...

jeff

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I think this gives us a good indication of the differences between Manual and Auto !

Same driver (I assume) and 60rwkw difference to get basically the same ET, with a 7 MPH difference (In favour of the Manual)

Just goes to show how much is lost with the throttle closure during gearchanges etc.. Auto's are far superior in the T's for Quarter mile IMHO !

Geea would be correct with say a Throttle controlled by the foot directly, where you know what it is doing all the time I think, then a manual should be better !

Any drag racers able to help here ?

Pretzel

[macka'sxr6t]

Macka, Jeff has 2 "T's". He has quoted the power and times for both. The 13.12@108.54 mph 242 rwkw's  is for his auto. The 13.01@115mph  302rwkw is for his manual.

Hope this helps clear Jeff's comments up.

Geea.

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Thanks Craig,

It was really tongue in check comment, I was just having some fun.

My point is exactly what you stated.

13.01 @ 115 mph. with 302 rwkw. Jeff

13.2 @111 mph with 300 rwkw. Pretzel

Both manuals one being a 6 speed. It should have had better gearing with closer ratios, probably one extra shift before the end of the run.

By the way Pretzel what gear were you in when you crossed the line?

It's funny how no one disputes Jeff's time and rwkw but when it comes to Pretzel and Dynowog everyone thinks there is something shifty going on. That's what has me confused.

JB has a manual with around 270-280 rwkw and was a couple of 10's behind and has had many more runs on the track than Pretzel. Would have been good to see JB have a run in Pretzels car, might have cracked a high 12

the other thing that has me confused is the nearly 1.5 sec time difference between an Auto with only 30 rwkw more power compared to the manaul. Its just hard to see how you could lose that much time just in gear shifts.

Remember the Auto does not let you do WOT shifts either. Sounds like the manual is the slushbox here not the Auto. :lol:

Dynowog maybe I should be your PR man

macka

[macka'sxr6t]

Has anyone seen or heard from BakeBeans and Street Tuner.

Seems as though Pretzel is only 4 10's of a sec behind his time on his first time out you'd think that he would be bagging the S t out him. "NOT"

Maybe BakeBeans is out raising the finance for the yearly forum costs. "NOT"

I hope Admin can locate the big mouth. It will take alot of finacial pressure of I bet.

macka

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Has anyone seen or heard from BakeBeans and Street Tuner.

Seems as though Pretzel is only 4 10's of a sec behind his time on his first time out you'd think that he would be bagging the S t out him.  "NOT"

Maybe BakeBeans is out raising the finance for the yearly forum costs.  "NOT"

 

I hope Admin can locate the big mouth. It will take alot of finacial pressure of I bet.

macka

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too true!!!!

[Guest BakedBeans]

Now here's where the fun starts !

I'm not going to go through and mention everyone that bagged me and/or Nick about the claims we made, and said it was impossible etc.... And there's quite a few of you, and you know who you are !

There is at least one personal mention required though, and that to BakedBeans...... Now what was the quote? Something like I will pay the site's fees for a year if anyone can prove standard injectors can do anywhere near 330RWKW +/- 10% (hey according to the calculated figures we're spot on !)

Now what was it that Nick had done Bakedbeans ? Sucked me into believing the figures.... well Fu@k me, they've been proven at Calder !

Now who looks like the fool ?

Pay up sucker !

I think Bakedbeans should at least be chased up over his offer to pay the site's fees for a year ! I'd hope he is traceable anyhow !

Pretzkel & Dynowog... EDIT: you aswell now macka..

May I ask once again that you stop using my name in Vain. that's 7 times in this thread.. with 3 references to me.. 10 in total.

Let me show you something Pretzkel... Read them...!

Does feel good to have finally proven it though..... It is rewarding to have done it with nothing but Intercooler, and ECU. Even more so after all the Sh!t that was spouted about it not being possible !!

lol ^

To the members and moderators of this forum.

If anyone can prove a BA Falcon Turbo producing anywhere near 335rwkw (I'll allow 5-10% + or - ) on the Standard (6) 380cc injectors..

(that's the car in question running 120+mph at a 1/4mile)

Then I will happily see the Web Hosting fee's of Fordxr6turbo.com.. Paid for.. in full.. for 1 whole year.

Let me ask you some very simple Questions, without your excuses, estimations and assumptions.

1.Have you acheived what I asked of..? (Quote above, read it again.)

I'll be glad to answer it for you.... NO...!!!

2. Have you verified your 'claimed' dyno figure on any other dyno...?

I'll answer again for you.... NO...!!!

Here's a quote from your 'Honest Tuner'...

by the way who actually cares what power it makes on a dd I dont!

'Sometimes', Ignorance can be your best defence in life..

Although you seem to be taking it for granted.

Yeah the site I used may be dodgy for it's figures, it was the first one I came across doing a search, so I used it !

Ever thought, just for a sec, that this might be the case with your 'Claimed' Dyno Figure..?

Remedy ---> Use another Dyno..!

The evidence is all around you... Open your eyes, and raise your intelligence level.

[geea]

Becareful guys about Street Tuna's times. If I remember correctly he had nowhere near 300rwkw's when he ran those times. I think he might of had 270ish. I'm not sure though. I'm also not sure on what type of rubber he was running. If Tuna replies and says he ran 12.8 with 270rwkw's its going to make the 300rwkw's sound a bit dodgy.

Probably better to find out before you start throwing stuff at him. It might come back alot harder.

Geea.