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Ah yes speedruino I was looking into that but yea getting all the essential things for the falcon seems like a freaking nightmare possibly that's why no ones yet to make a budget ecu which you'd think after maybe 10 years someone would have, is you're a barra or a v8? And yea that's true 4.5k just to drive the car around normally and not need all the extras is crazy for the price hence why I've still got my xr8 sitting here after 2 years as I've never found anything worth spending that money on especially to just drive it around town even though it's a v8 to be fair I just can't warrant the cost of the haltec or the ecu repairs constantly for what the cars worth and it only has 205 thousand ks on it 

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Ah yep I'm sure with the barra surely someone has or is in works of somthing surely since I know the xr8 is abit more complex with those extra strategies ect that they need but the barra I really don't know why someone hasn't yet like it really shouldn't be that difficult for Falcons since people have done it for other ford models in the US and UK could possibly message some sort of Chinese workshop or programmer etc since they make heaps of stuff like kess v2 knock off's and basically every automotive tech things that's popular so I'm sure someone over there would easily be able to create somthing like the haltec and have it at a few hundred im sure of it, just maybe they don't know we need this might see if there's any sort of people who I can find that would be willing to make somthing similar ill do some research and see if I can possibly find anything useful that could possibly actually get this idea to a real product 

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