Is Fpv T (typhoon) Value For Money?

[HSE2]

Guys, 6 speed should be available seeing as though it's BAII. Believe me, it will happen.  I know the 6 speeders WILL come. It's a bit hard not to notice when they're right in front of you.........

So don't believe DRIVE. It will come. 

Good to see ya Geoff!

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this new member's first post......

Yeah I did notice it and I know who he is. While he isn't Geoff he certainly was in a position to see what he claims

[hypnodoc]

1.  No both cars didn't fail to finish. Car 930 finished in the top ten

2.  You are all over the place with the construction of your comments

Owning any product is neither a perquisites nor necessary on making an unbiased comment.  To even list it is an insult and displays gross amounts of ignorance.

Watered down that basically reads- until you own both cars shut your mouth and keep your opinions to yourself.  If you don’t like comments being questioned or are unable to explain yourself then forums aren’t the place to raise the points.

As I have stated your definition of open road is certainly not mine.  You continually refer to top speed work in which case there is no argument and I don’t believe I questioned aspects of braking.

I will direct your back to your original comment that I questioned.

“But hit that open road where the real purpose of the GT can be experienced and there is truly no contest, you find that out at the first corner, at the second corner, and every corner after that."

I didn't agree with that comment with constraints and in context.  Plain and simple.  You introduced the GT 's ability to handle corners over that of the XR6T. Not travel at warp speed and drag light shuffles.  I won't be side tracked with railroading aimed comments. 

Hi HSE2,

I went through this type of debate when I was academically inclined. Very well researched, you are entirely right the second car did finish, I remember reading the article in a Motor mag last year.

I think we may have to agree to disagree over the open road driving of these 2 cars. Having said that I am not insuating that the T is not a good car because I believe its a fantastic car, and I also believe that the Typhoon will be a better car to drive than the GT, that's why I ordered one.

I can't agree with you that the T is a better handling car on the open road although I will concede that hurtling around the back roads of Tasmania in a T with a much lighter front end it would be an easier job than steering a GT. However when you have time or ability to drive both cars consistantly for a period of time, I feel this puts one in a better position to make a qualified judgement, and if you wanted a real rally car wouldn't a Toyota, Subaru, Focus, Mitsubushi or the like be a better bet. And to finish off, I will have a Typhoon in my garage as soon as FPV can get them built and get one to WA. So if what your saying is correct, it won't matter to me because I'll have the best of both worlds.

P.S, the comments when you OWN or DRIVE both cars had nothing to do with shutting your mouth, I just think a few 1000klm in each would put one in a better position to give an accurate critique

[Redhawk]

Good comments HSE2 (did'nt quote them all as this post would have been 2 mile long!!!) :lol:

Being just a mug everyday driver with over 30 years experience of driving all over this country in various cars I love the GT, the best all round car I have owned, and I know the car's limits certainally are beyond what I can or care to do.

The T is a great car but built to a price, hell Ford had to do something to recover from the financial caning they got with the AU, and the XT and XR range will hopefully pull them in some well deserved profit.

Yes the T is a very well balanced car and the most amazing thing my wife and I found was that FPV had balanced the GT so well (compared to the XR8). I just hope FPV don't sacrifice rigidity for weight saving in future models.

All in all Ford & FPV are getting together a stable of performance cars which will be the envy of the competition.

I think this thread is falling into the trap of comparing apples and oranges, the GT and T are like that, and it is personal preference too.

I liked my T but just love my GT

[hypnodoc]

Good comments HSE2 (did'nt quote them all as this post would have been 2 mile long!!!) :lol:

Being just a mug everyday driver with over 30 years experience of driving all over this country in various cars I love the GT, the best all round car I have owned, and I know the car's limits certainally are beyond what I can or care to do.

The T is a great car but built to a price, hell Ford had to do something to recover from the financial caning they got with the AU, and the XT and XR range will hopefully pull them in some well deserved profit.

Yes the T is a very well balanced car and the most amazing thing my wife and I found was that FPV had balanced the GT so well (compared to the XR8). I just hope FPV don't sacrifice rigidity for weight saving in future models.

All in all Ford & FPV are getting together a stable of performance cars which will be the envy of the competition.

I think this thread is falling into the trap of comparing apples and oranges, the GT and T are like that, and it is personal preference too.

I liked my T but just love my GT

:lol:

Come on Hawkey, admit it. Streets ahead mate, streets ahead, pity the man or woman who gets GT fever. We are not comparing Apples and Oranges, we are comparing Seaview and Dom Perignon.

[Redhawk]

:lol:

Come on Hawkey, admit it. Streets ahead mate, streets ahead, pity the man or woman who gets GT fever. We are not comparing Apples and Oranges, we are comparing Seaview and Dom Perignon.

Oh, you mean like comparing Neighbour Bill's Best BBQ Bitter against Haan Premium, or Cougar Bourbon against Knob Creek..........yeah I'll drink to that! :lol:

By the way wasn't the XR6T in the Tassie Targa a mule of the Typhoon???

[DallasQLD]

boys lets remember they are Falcons - all of em!

Lets not compare them to fine champaigne

more like diet pepsi to coke, not champaigne

Neither of em are as good as a buggered BMW!

chers

I reckon in standard form the T isnt too bad, its does get spooky when you really push it though......

I would not drive a standard one in any competition event. Too soft.

[Redhawk]

boys lets remember they are Falcons - all of em!

Lets not compare them to fine champaigne

more like diet pepsi to coke, not champaigne

Neither of em are as good as a buggered BMW!

chers

I reckon in standard form the T isnt too bad, its does get spooky when you really push it though......

I would not drive a standard one in any competition event. Too soft.

Don't know about you Dallas but............

"I get a kick out of champagne, moonlit nights in my GT just drive me insane"............and I get a kick out of.....(shall I???).......you!!!!!"

More kick from champagne than bloody diet coke anyhow!!

Although in my pre-GT ownership days diet coke and 'Diggers' methylated spirit was a good vehicle to the land of the 'long dark sleep'......

[OwnaXR6T]

hmmm, Is the FPV TYPHOON good value, or does the GT handle better than a XR6T?

Spend 2 grand on springs and shocks and the T will handle better that a GT, my 2c

[HSE2]

Redhawk

I agree 100% but that is the difference. An all round package is what I believe the GT is best at. For example I disagree with your WA colleague that the T is a better town car. I have found you are using one gear lower than the V8 versions. On the highway I found at cruising speed of between 100 and 110kph the rpm was just off the boil. Pull out and there is that little bit of hesitation that you don’t get with the GT.

But this is that personal side of things. Where the cars you have had and the cars you have experienced mould ones preference.

Make no mistake about it I am a mug punter like the next bloke. A carpenter by trade I have been fortunate to be in the right places in the right time. This more then anything gets me invitations to Audi, Porsche and Mercedes drive days. There is nothing special to it and I don’t pretend otherwise. I do take pride in forming an opinion and seeing how close I get to the “real” testers. Over many forum years that has led to conflicts with lots of people up to and including David Flint. Plonky can attest to that

Talking to engineers is as simple as going to one of the motor shows and talking to them. Again nothing special.

Yes Car 930 is the mule. I think what we are getting is a bit different but you can see the company that car was in. Steve is a very good peddler though. The second car would have finished inside the top 15 and that was as standard as any Targa car gets.

Would have been a sensation result for Micky T and the guys. If you remember back in the article that motor printed this car was not very nice when they first got hold of it.

They race on special compound rubber and do have unique suspension tune.

Back in 2002 I was the secretary of then Tickford car club of Tassie. At the Tickford day I got to meet a couple of the guys from the WA branch. I am terrible with names but I think they were President and Vice President. Terribly nice blokes that I have lost touch with. If you don’t mind can you say Ian from Tassie says hello.

Hypnodoc

I hear what you’re saying about getting some Kms under the proverbial belt but with respect that alone isn’t enough. For staters in most test-drive situations it simply isn’t possible to have the car for that long. For example I can get a Ford product for a couple of hours to do a road loop but I can’t do the same with Subaru. The relationship isn’t the same. In that time the decision to buy is usually made. I would say that the amount of Km’s on the test unit is important with anything over about 2000 being a good start but that isn’t something the consumer has much influence over. By the same token that again isn’t enough because unless you have the ability to drive back to back under the same conditions the comparison just isn’t the same. The smallest things make a difference. An extra person is enough to completely change the way the package works. If I couldn’t form an opinion on a car after a standard test drive I would be in trouble. I take the car over a section of road that simulates the conditions I intend to subject it to over its life. Now down here that isn’t a problem. Being a car enthusiast is also about being a driving enthusiast. There are exceptions I know but these guys normally drive Holden’s.

I believe first impressions are normally right provided the drive takes in the type of surfaces and conditions that are used by the intended owner. Does time and kms change that opinion, yes it certainly could but the longer you own a particular car the longer the time of experience with the previous car has become. You tend to convince yourself the devil you now own is substantial better when in truth the difference probably wasn’t that great.

You don’t have to be qualified to have and express an opinion. The way a car feels is so subjective that getting people to agree is nearly impossible simply because no two people are the same. Oh the joy to be in the business of making people happy. I know people that are able to tell what a car is like by doing the block. Experience allows this, and in others they just have a feel for it.

It is natural that ownership brings knowledge of things that aren’t picked up with a one off drive, but I disagree that in something as major as car behaviour. Basing an opinion on one drive is more detrimental then experiencing km’s over different examples of the same model. In other words if you find something you dislike you are more likely to test another car to see if the complaint is common to the model.

By nature the entire BA range is very compliant. In the Tickford days they had a reputation for being rough or harsh in ride with moderate benefits to control. Universal in the praise of the ride characteristics have the press been of the performance Fords in the BA series but they all tend to go soft if exposed to the right conditions. Its not rocket science to know that the point that determines turn in might struggle if weight is an issue. Weight by itself isn’t something to be afraid of. There are far heavier cars on the road that have very good balance they just cost about three times more.

I said I was interested in your comments in relation to cornering and that was genuine because outside of owner groups the lighter of the Fords is generally referred to as the more neutral. That doesn’t make your comments wrong just that you have or experience something that is to your taste. I was interested in why you were saying what you did and the reason you felt that way. That’s how I learn. The open road to me suggests anything out side the city limit or urban running.

As far as I can tell you and are I about as opposite as it gets. For example I tended to get frustrated with the turbo. Giving it more herbs won’t fix the issues I have with it so there would be no way I would order the F6. I don’t believe the turbo has the drivability of the GT especially in manual form. Auto not such an issue.

[plonky]

Redhawk

I agree 100% but that is the difference. An all round package is what I believe the GT is best at. For example I disagree with your WA colleague that the T is a better town car. I have found you are using one gear lower than the V8 versions. On the highway I found at cruising speed of between 100 and 110kph the rpm was just off the boil. Pull out and there is that little bit of hesitation that you don’t get with the GT.

But this is that personal side of things. Where the cars you have had and the cars you have experienced mould ones preference.

Make no mistake about it I am a mug punter like the next bloke. A carpenter by trade I have been fortunate to be in the right places in the right time. This more then anything gets me invitations to Audi, Porsche and Mercedes drive days. There is nothing special to it and I don’t pretend otherwise. I do take pride in forming an opinion and seeing how close I get to the “real” testers. Over many forum years that has led to conflicts with lots of people up to and including David Flint. Plonky can attest to that

Talking to engineers is as simple as going to one of the motor shows and talking to them. Again nothing special.

Yes Car 930 is the mule. I think what we are getting is a bit different but you can see the company that car was in. Steve is a very good peddler though. The second car would have finished inside the top 15 and that was as standard as any Targa car gets.

Would have been a sensation result for Micky T and the guys. If you remember back in the article that motor printed this car was not very nice when they first got hold of it.

They race on special compound rubber and do have unique suspension tune.

Back in 2002 I was the secretary of then Tickford car club of Tassie. At the Tickford day I got to meet a couple of the guys from the WA branch. I am terrible with names but I think they were President and Vice President. Terribly nice blokes that I have lost touch with. If you don’t mind can you say Ian from Tassie says hello.

Hypnodoc

I hear what you’re saying about getting some Kms under the proverbial belt but with respect that alone isn’t enough. For staters in most test-drive situations it simply isn’t possible to have the car for that long. For example I can get a Ford product for a couple of hours to do a road loop but I can’t do the same with Subaru. The relationship isn’t the same. In that time the decision to buy is usually made. I would say that the amount of Km’s on the test unit is important with anything over about 2000 being a good start but that isn’t something the consumer has much influence over. By the same token that again isn’t enough because unless you have the ability to drive back to back under the same conditions the comparison just isn’t the same. The smallest things make a difference. An extra person is enough to completely change the way the package works. If I couldn’t form an opinion on a car after a standard test drive I would be in trouble. I take the car over a section of road that simulates the conditions I intend to subject it to over its life. Now down here that isn’t a problem. Being a car enthusiast is also about being a driving enthusiast. There are exceptions I know but these guys normally drive Holden’s.

I believe first impressions are normally right provided the drive takes in the type of surfaces and conditions that are used by the intended owner. Does time and kms change that opinion, yes it certainly could but the longer you own a particular car the longer the time of experience with the previous car has become. You tend to convince yourself the devil you now own is substantial better when in truth the difference probably wasn’t that great.

You don’t have to be qualified to have and express an opinion. The way a car feels is so subjective that getting people to agree is nearly impossible simply because no two people are the same. Oh the joy to be in the business of making people happy. I know people that are able to tell what a car is like by doing the block. Experience allows this, and in others they just have a feel for it.

It is natural that ownership brings knowledge of things that aren’t picked up with a one off drive, but I disagree that in something as major as car behaviour. Basing an opinion on one drive is more detrimental then experiencing km’s over different examples of the same model. In other words if you find something you dislike you are more likely to test another car to see if the complaint is common to the model.

By nature the entire BA range is very compliant. In the Tickford days they had a reputation for being rough or harsh in ride with moderate benefits to control. Universal in the praise of the ride characteristics have the press been of the performance Fords in the BA series but they all tend to go soft if exposed to the right conditions. Its not rocket science to know that the point that determines turn in might struggle if weight is an issue. Weight by itself isn’t something to be afraid of. There are far heavier cars on the road that have very good balance they just cost about three times more.

I said I was interested in your comments in relation to cornering and that was genuine because outside of owner groups the lighter of the Fords is generally referred to as the more neutral. That doesn’t make your comments wrong just that you have or experience something that is to your taste. I was interested in why you were saying what you did and the reason you felt that way. That’s how I learn. The open road to me suggests anything out side the city limit or urban running.

As far as I can tell you and are I about as opposite as it gets. For example I tended to get frustrated with the turbo. Giving it more herbs won’t fix the issues I have with it so there would be no way I would order the F6. I don’t believe the turbo has the drivability of the GT especially in manual form. Auto not such an issue.

Totally agree with HSE2

This balanced, reasonable and sensible view is exactly why I have a high regard for HSE2's views and critical evaluation.

HSE2 is motivated (as I am as well) with a desire to see Ford do so much better in its marketing and product design and this leads to conflict. Maybe Ford are used to Yes Men (RJV ring any bells?) or can be too arrogant in their belief in the decision they ahve made.

After all, now matter how good a product is (or you think it is) if the consumer won;t buy it you can't force them to.

During evaluations on the T and XR8 I stood ground on a lot of issues (much to the chagrin of some involved in it) but the car is better now partly because of it. Constant haranguing over the faults in AU saw costlty changes.

At the end of the day it is still down to the individual to make an 'informed' choice. It is your money, spend it where you think.

In regards to the Typhoon being value for money? When it comes to resale time it is a genuine FPV vehicle - not an XR6T with thousands of dollars of extras. This is where the value of the car lies.