Adr Compliance Issues

[stang]

Stang,

The RTA website has most of the vehicle information sheets available online. These sheets form the guidelines that your engineer will use. (He will have them in a blue folder)

For some reason they are bloody hard to find on the website (Probably because they don't want to encourage us) but anyway here is the link:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/do...si/vsi_dl1.html

Vehicle standards information sheet No.6 is the one you are refering to. It has the basic outline for what is and isn't ok.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/do...s/vsi/vsi06.pdf

Here is the paragraph that relates to your question:

"To what extent can I modify my vehicle?

Engine modification

Original engine modified

Modifications to the original engine are permitted provided the following conditions are met:

. normal engine reconditioning within manufacturer’s limits is permitted;

. modifications must not affect compliance with any emission or noise related ADRs;

. all emission control equipment must be retained and functional;

. if the modifications result in a substantial increase in power, then the adequacy of other

components to carry the increased power (brake performance, vehicle controllability and

suspension systems etc.) as well as the vehicle’s continued compliance with the applicable ADRs

must be considered. "

As you can see there is no documented % rule for increased performance from the factory engine. All the guidelines are open to interpretation which can be a good or a bad thing. Great when you have an understanding engineer, not so great when you have a police office on a mission.

The best advice I could give you would be this, If its not fitted by the factory, get it engineer approved. That way when you get pulled over you can simply produce your engineers report and all should be fine.

Peter,

I know the rules in other states can vary allot to those in NSW, some states are easier, some harder. I can only comment on what applies here in NSW as its all I am familiar with. Once again, sorry to the interstaters

Each State does have an RTA equivilent though so just contact them and they should be able to provide you with the relevant requirements. We are spoilt here in NSW in regards to the EPA testing.

Once again I hope that helps, I am not an Engineer so please check with an approved signatory for confirmation of anything that's important to you. Just keep in mind that some are more friendly than others so be prepaired to contact a few

thanks toyman for your effort and your response as you menitoned I have been on the vic rta website and cannot see anything referring to this 10% power increae that was referred elsewear on this site I cant rmember whether it was posted by APS of someone else and this was the reason for the question.

regards

Stang

[elxr8393]

thanks toyman for your effort and your response as you menitoned I have been on the vic rta website and cannot see anything referring to this 10% power increae that was referred elsewear on this site I cant rmember whether it was posted by APS of someone else and this was the reason for the question.

regards

Stang

The 10% rule is set out in sections under assesing vehicle modifications which the engineers have from vicroads, your right - it doesn't say so on the website.

[newxr]

2) " As tuned"

All APS XR6T PHASED SYSTEMS are precalibrated by APS. In the emissions part of the computer map, no retuning of the Unichip computer is necessary EVER, all of the custom tuning that APS and it's dealers perform is well outside the area that could impact on engine emission numbers. Not even C and V's XR6T (10 second car) has had tuning performed in the emissions relevant area, and therefore would easily pass the ADR 79/00 emission test.

3) As stated in ( 2) the Cand V car would easily pass the ADR 79/00 emission standard as will any APS XR6T phased performance car. This is not heresay as we have actually proven ADR 79/00 emission compliance on three seperate occaisions and I am 100% confident that every APS system will pass with the same degree of success as the original unmodified XR6T Ford car.

Hope this clarifies the issue for you, thanks for your interest in our emission testing program. :lol:

Peter

APS

Hi Peter

Your points only cause more confusion - you state that you are confidant that APS modified vehicles will pass emission tests - it still leaves open the question - based on the certificate provided can the EPA still ask for the vehicle to be tested as each chip is tuned seperately? If so then the certificate offers no protection from the costs associated with the having to satisfy the EPA. Can you catagorically state that the documentation provided by APS make the cars street legal!

Sorry if I read the post incorrectly but I remain confused

newxr

[aps]

2) " As tuned"

All APS XR6T PHASED SYSTEMS are precalibrated by APS. In the emissions part of the computer map, no retuning of the Unichip computer is necessary EVER, all of the custom tuning that APS and it's dealers perform is well outside the area that could impact on engine emission numbers. Not even C and V's XR6T (10 second car) has had tuning performed in the emissions relevant area, and therefore would easily pass the ADR 79/00 emission test.

3) As stated in ( 2) the Cand V car would easily pass the ADR 79/00 emission standard as will any APS XR6T phased performance car. This is not heresay as we have actually proven ADR 79/00 emission compliance on three seperate occaisions and I am 100% confident that every APS system will pass with the same degree of success as the original unmodified XR6T Ford car.

Hope this clarifies the issue for you, thanks for your interest in our emission testing program. :lol:

Peter

APS

Hi Peter

Your points only cause more confusion - you state that you are confidant that APS modified vehicles will pass emission tests - it still leaves open the question - based on the certificate provided can the EPA still ask for the vehicle to be tested as each chip is tuned seperately? If so then the certificate offers no protection from the costs associated with the having to satisfy the EPA. Can you catagorically state that the documentation provided by APS make the cars street legal!

Sorry if I read the post incorrectly but I remain confused

newxr

Mate I now assume that you are asking questions pertaining to the XR6T. If so the engine emission results APS has obtained will satisfy the EPA in every state of Australia, as the test data we have shows continued compliance to the Australian standard (ADR 79/00). This engine emission data is very expensive to obtain and APS will provide this information to the engineer conducting the report, this saves APS customers many thousands of dollars.

The unichip is not tuned in the area that would impact on the engine emissions as I stated in my last post. Each Unichip is custom tuned outside of the emissions crictical part of the ignition and fuel map.

This test data proves continued compliance to the engine emission standard (this keeps the EPA happy) though you need to obtain an engineers report in most states of Australia to be 100% ROAD LEGAL.

The cost of the Engineers report will vary from state to state and I recommend you allow approx $700 to cover the cost of the report. I trust this clarifies the issue once and for all.

Peter

APS

[WBT56]

WBT56

Whilst on the topic of compliance is it required with the T56 upgrade as Im looking to go that way soon and if needed I will wait till then to have the enginners report done?

Cheers Frank

Sorry for the late reply Frank, been waiting for our engineer to get back to me with a definitive answer for Victoria. He hasn't yet, so I will get back to you. They are fine in Qld, due to the use of factory mounting hardware, crossmember, etc. Ben. (Mal Wood Auto).

[TURBO4LT]

WBT56

Whilst on the topic of compliance is it required with the T56 upgrade as Im looking to go that way soon and if needed I will wait till then to have the enginners report done?

Cheers Frank

Sorry for the late reply Frank, been waiting for our engineer to get back to me with a definitive answer for Victoria. He hasn't yet, so I will get back to you. They are fine in Qld, due to the use of factory mounting hardware, crossmember, etc. Ben. (Mal Wood Auto).

Hi Mal & Ben

Thanks but Im actually from NSW look foward to hearing from you.

Cheers Frank

[Scruffman]

So how many people here that read this have ever driven over the speed limit.

People know the risks they are taking when they do things. Yes its illegal to speed, yes its illegal to modify your car outside of the EPA rules etc. Yes its illegal to do a lot of things in this life time. Do we still do them. HELL YEAH!

People either worry about it now and don't do it, Or take a risk that they wont get caught. Maybe with EPA and pollution this may not be the "Green attitude" by I think people still fell they have a right to choose and if this breaks laws then so be it. Nobody is sticking their head in the sand, they are just taking risks. I am glady that these posts explain those risks in terms of laws but don't think that these explainations will change everyones mind of what they do. Some will some won't.

I also beleive that its illegal to do the following.

1. Tape TV shows for later viewing.

2. Record Vinyl records to tape for playing in the car (old age showing)

3. All the copyright infringements people perform on thier PC's with games etc etc.

People break laws. Good / bad I dunno. Laws are also set by the people and can be changed by the same people. 10 years ago could Gay couples get married. Now it is slowly spreading around the world as a norm. Smoking was good now its bad. The world changes from people rebelling the system, so maybe these car modders are still in protest to stupid laws. Goverments change there minds as well. I can easily think of injecting rooms here in Sydney as a fairly recent big change. Did the heroin users know they were breaking the law before. Yes they did. did they get in trouble yes they did. Did it stop them no it didnt.

Oh well enough rambling. I hope you can see my point. Assuming I have one

Happy car modding everyone. Do what you want. Know what laws you are breaking and be aware of the risks you are taking. then make a choice that you want.

And yes Peter I know your prodcut is ADR compliant. Stop telling us. If I ever mod my car I will take that into consideration as well as a lot of other things that decide what I do in my life.

Wayne

[aps]

And yes Peter I know your prodcut is ADR compliant. Stop telling us. If I ever mod my car I will take that into consideration as well as a lot of other things that decide what I do in my life.

Wayne

Wayne, that's well and good but ultimately it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to break the law. If the individual is well informed with fact, not hearsay, then all the better to make an informed decision. In addition, only when the individual is well informed with the avenues open to him to make his XR6T legal, can he weigh-up exactly what is required to maintain street legality - versus the risk of being caught and prosecuted by the EPA, RTA and/or Police.

When armed with all the facts, a valid decision can be made - which is why this very thread exists.

Again, the ultimate decision is up to the individual, but at least he knows that APS endeavours to make it as trouble-free as possible for an XR6T owner to drive a street legal high performance Falcon on our roads.

Peter

APS

[Dr Z]

Happy car modding everyone. Do what you want. Know what laws you are breaking and be aware of the risks you are taking. then make a choice that you want.

And yes Peter I know your prodcut is ADR compliant. Stop telling us. If I ever mod my car I will take that into consideration as well as a lot of other things that decide what I do in my life.

Wayne

Scruffman, that is a very thoughtful post about risks and free will choices as it pertains to breaking laws. I agree 100% with you that individuals ought to make their own choices in life, however, there is a flip-side to making choices, and that is the consequences of individual choices.

While free will choice may be an individual input, consequences are outputs which may affect people other than you. Since a person's choice to break laws can affect the lives of others then free will choice to take risks also increases the risks of others, who were NOT given the choice to consider increasing their own risks. Indeed, since an individual's choice to increase their own risks is interdependent with the consequences of increasing the risk for others, in effect, you force a consequence of increased risk onto others without their consent or choice.

Using some examples to illustrate the nature of consequences affecting others:

Individual choice 1: Speeding or drink-driving

Possible consequence: Speeding or drink-driving increases the risks of harming yourself AND other people. That is, other people may be affected by YOUR free will choice to speed or drink-drive because your choice has also increased THEIR risks of being harmed.

Individual choice 2: Driving an illegally modified vehicle.

Possible consequence: Driving an illegally modified vehicle MAY increase the risks of harming yourself and other people. That is, other people may be affected by YOUR free will choice to drive an illegally modified vehicle because your choice has also increased THEIR risks of being harmed. Sure, not all modifications are likely to increase the risk of harm to others, but without legal compliance, all kinds of "weapons" may be on our roads, possibly even with a driver who is speeding or drink-driving thereby magnifying those risks.

We cannot safely assume that all people know what laws they are breaking or that they understand the possible consequences of their choices on themselves or others. This is why sharing as much information around as possible allows individuals to make more INFORMED decisions with greater levels of awareness. In many cases, laws exist to protect the rights of ALL individuals, and compliance with these laws ensures that the consequences of free will actions by others has the capacity to protect ALL individuals.

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z.

[Trumpy]