Lost My Licence

[God666]

You must stop at the Amber light as well. It is the same penalty and points.

The amber light stays on for at least 3 seconds before changing to Red.

So what you are saying is that 'fresh red' is no defence.

Bugger, I thought traffic lights were just an advisory thing

[Falchoon]

No sympathy from me, you were street racing and you were busted. Do the crime, now do the time. Hope they pinged your mate as well.

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A typical sh*t head statement, get a grip man, you'd be one of the biggest moaners on here

Scotty

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Not true Snotty. If I was silly enough to do something like this and I got busted I would just cop it (so to speak....) even if the cop had overestimated the speed. I don't think it would be worth taking it to court, looks to me like a very slim chance of overturning the decision and a chance that an even bigger fine/suspension could even be imposed.

[ktford]

No sympathy from me, you were street racing and you were busted. Do the crime, now do the time. Hope they pinged your mate as well.

A typical sh*t head statement, get a grip man, you'd be one of the biggest moaners on here

Scotty

Not true Snotty. If I was silly enough to do something like this and I got busted I would just cop it (so to speak....) even if the cop had overestimated the speed. I don't think it would be worth taking it to court, looks to me like a very slim chance of overturning the decision and a chance that an even bigger fine/suspension could even be imposed.

Ross old buddy the glass is half full, I hope your life isn't spent living in fear though it does sound like it from this statement, maybe you should be a hgag member if it is.

Scotty

[ZAP]

Falchoon,

You are just the bah bah (sheep) majority that will take whatever is dished out, right or wrong you will take it on the chin with no complaint.

That is fine for you to sit back and feel comfortable in not taking risks or standing up for yourself, but you should not mock someone for standing up for themselves if they feel unjustly treated.

I for one will always stand up for my rights and fight to the bitter end. Sometime the result is not what I hoped for, but victory is so sweet when you win.

I hope that Tuff and JB are treated fairly and show us that there is hope against the governments plan to fine us into extinction

[mickq]

that's a tough break.

ignore those who say tough sh1t...they are missing the point that the cops have pinged you for something you werent doing...and THAT is not fair no matter what.

Be happy - in Vic you lose your license at only 25kmh over the limit!

A few things.

1) Go speak to a lawyer who specialises in this kind of thing right away. He will do things like requesting logs of the car the cops were driving to ensure its speedo was calibrated recently enough etc to ensure they could accurately measure their and your speed.

2) You were not racing your friend. You just both hapened to be cruising above the speed limit. Not unusual for friends to travel in convoy. That doesnt constitute a race. You may have both been choosing to exceed the limit, but its not necessarily a competitve road race.

3) Never, ever admit fault to police. Ever. I dont care how nice an idea they try to make it seem. They will generally try to make you admit fault if they need a little extra proof to help ping you. Never answer the usual "Whats the rush?" type question. They are trained to as it for a reason. 99/100 times they will write it down and book you...and recall what you said if you take it to court. I used to always be very courteous and open to cops, until I read a Legal Aid article about how you should handle police. I started doing it that way and have been let off every questionable offence since then. (In the past I always got booked!).

4) One problem is that by admitting you were doing 140kmh you open up a hole: Aussie speedos must be calibrated to within 10%, so *if* your speedo was reading 10% low, you would have been doing 154kmh...best option is to immediately get your speedo properly tested and then calibrated by an expert. They should verify how accurate/inaccurate it is and give you a report. Do this without delay. The reason is that if you are going to continue to claim you were doing 140 AND your speedo calibration test supports that it was quite accurate, then you will shoot holes in the prosecutions typical response that you might have thought you were doing 140 but perhaps your speedo was off and here is proof the cops speedo was accurate as it was recently tested.

5) I agree your mate should have continued on. There was no sense in both of you getting done. In fact it makes it more likely one of you will slip up and say something like you were racing!

I think your best bet is to be honest in court. Do not admit to road racing. Admit your speed, say that you openly and honestly admitted to the policeman who pulled you over that you were doing 140kmh (not about 140!). And he used coersion and duress to try to get you to admit to 150.

Given your openness and the fact you did admit to a big speed when asked, you might have the charge downgraded to 140.

As for your mate - he also has a good chance as long as he didnt admit his speed. How the cops could determine he was doing 180 when they were doing 140 is even more open to a lawyers attacks.

Also...if they were accelerating hard after you, their speed would not have been steady, which makes it doubly as hard to accurately estimate the speed of a person they are chasing who is also pulling away from them. (ie both their speed and the targets speed is changing every fraction of a second!)

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

[tuffxr6]

that's a tough break.

ignore those who say tough sh1t...they are missing the point that the cops have pinged you for something you werent doing...and THAT is not fair no matter what.

Be happy - in Vic you lose your license at only 25kmh over the limit!

A few things.

1) Go speak to a lawyer who specialises in this kind of thing right away. He will do things like requesting logs of the car the cops were driving to ensure its speedo was calibrated recently enough etc to ensure they could accurately measure their and your speed.

2) You were not racing your friend. You just both hapened to be cruising above the speed limit. Not unusual for friends to travel in convoy. That doesnt constitute a race. You may have both been choosing to exceed the limit, but its not necessarily a competitve road race.

3) Never, ever admit fault to police. Ever. I dont care how nice an idea they try to make it seem.  They will generally try to make you admit fault if they need a little extra proof to help ping you. Never answer the usual "Whats the rush?" type question. They are trained to as it for a reason. 99/100 times they will write it down and book you...and recall what you said if you take it to court. I used to always be very courteous and open to cops, until I read a Legal Aid article about how you should handle police. I started doing it that way and have been let off every questionable offence since then. (In the past I always got booked!).

4) One problem is that by admitting you were doing 140kmh you open up a hole: Aussie speedos must be calibrated to within 10%, so *if* your speedo was reading 10% low, you would have been doing 154kmh...best option is to immediately get your speedo properly tested and then calibrated by an expert. They should verify how accurate/inaccurate it is and give you a report. Do this without delay. The reason is that if you are going to continue to claim you were doing 140 AND your speedo calibration test supports that it was quite accurate, then you will shoot holes in the prosecutions typical response that you might have thought you were doing 140 but perhaps your speedo was off and here is proof the cops speedo was accurate as it was recently tested.

5) I agree your mate should have continued on. There was no sense in both of you getting done. In fact it makes it more likely one of you will slip up and say something like you were racing!

I think your best bet is to be honest in court. Do not admit to road racing. Admit your speed, say that you openly and honestly admitted to the policeman who pulled you over that you were doing 140kmh (not about 140!). And he used coersion and duress to try to get you to admit to 150.

Given your openness and the fact you did admit to a big speed when asked, you might have the charge downgraded to 140.

As for your mate - he also has a good chance as long as he didnt admit his speed. How the cops could determine he was doing 180 when they were doing 140 is even more open to a lawyers attacks.

Also...if they were accelerating hard after you, their speed would not have been steady, which makes it doubly as hard to accurately estimate the speed of a person they are chasing who is also pulling away from them. (ie both their speed and the targets speed is changing every fraction of a second!)

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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Thanks for the positive feed back mate ill keep you guys updated to what happens.I can see why the police are annoyed with the car scene at the gold coast as it is out of control,when I was pulled over on saturday night the police were only intrested in getting me and my car off the road not issueing me with a fine,I have jotted down that the officer brought up taking it to court first as he must of thought I had a case.

[veczar]

Harden up? Ive been throu the hardest stuff like being in hopital for 100 operations and having to put up with all the crap that comes with it. I dont get offended easily etc etc. sorry off topic.

Plonky, calm down mate no need to get so fired up we know you are getting paid off.. jk

My wheelspin wasnt where any people sleeping were and it was barley that. I deserved being yelled at and told to not be a hoon etc, I wasnt saying that wasnt right coz it is young idiots need that.

It is the fact of giving false testimony and lieing about what yound happen to me. Even this didnt phase me because I am a sensible driver and have not even a parking ticket to my name.

The thing that annoyed me was the abuse of the female friend in my car about things unrelatted to the incident. She did not need this and she wasnt the one that had the heavy right foot.

That said, I have been puled over many times and the police have been more than good. Ive been let off for a lot of little and big things that I maybe shouldnt have. Like unroadworthy motorbike in about 5 ways. But the officer understood I had good reason.

Im for the police! But there is a good percentage that need some humble pie and ruin the name for the rest like has been said ^

They also need to crack down on the real reasons for deaths on the roads more than just some of the pathetic things they pick on, e.g. wobly seat or seatbelt is faded too much

Im wasnt whinging at all (took my comments in wrong context, I guess because no tone or expression), was just adding to the post.

Maybe ive never had any parents mate? pfft getting personal no need for that crap.

[veczar]

By the way it is not legal for officers of the law to be offensive. An officer I know got suspended for calling another person I know a 'tool' or 'idiot' or some such minor insult.

Food for thought.

P.S. I am thankful to most police that they give most people a fair go...

[BA_Turbs]

By the way it is not legal for officers of the law to be offensive.

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Good idea, make it up as you go.

[BA_Turbs]

that's a tough break.

ignore those who say tough sh1t...they are missing the point that the cops have pinged you for something you werent doing...and THAT is not fair no matter what.

Be happy - in Vic you lose your license at only 25kmh over the limit!

A few things.

1) Go speak to a lawyer who specialises in this kind of thing right away. He will do things like requesting logs of the car the cops were driving to ensure its speedo was calibrated recently enough etc to ensure they could accurately measure their and your speed.

2) You were not racing your friend. You just both hapened to be cruising above the speed limit. Not unusual for friends to travel in convoy. That doesnt constitute a race. You may have both been choosing to exceed the limit, but its not necessarily a competitve road race.

3) Never, ever admit fault to police. Ever. I dont care how nice an idea they try to make it seem.  They will generally try to make you admit fault if they need a little extra proof to help ping you. Never answer the usual "Whats the rush?" type question. They are trained to as it for a reason. 99/100 times they will write it down and book you...and recall what you said if you take it to court. I used to always be very courteous and open to cops, until I read a Legal Aid article about how you should handle police. I started doing it that way and have been let off every questionable offence since then. (In the past I always got booked!).

4) One problem is that by admitting you were doing 140kmh you open up a hole: Aussie speedos must be calibrated to within 10%, so *if* your speedo was reading 10% low, you would have been doing 154kmh...best option is to immediately get your speedo properly tested and then calibrated by an expert. They should verify how accurate/inaccurate it is and give you a report. Do this without delay. The reason is that if you are going to continue to claim you were doing 140 AND your speedo calibration test supports that it was quite accurate, then you will shoot holes in the prosecutions typical response that you might have thought you were doing 140 but perhaps your speedo was off and here is proof the cops speedo was accurate as it was recently tested.

5) I agree your mate should have continued on. There was no sense in both of you getting done. In fact it makes it more likely one of you will slip up and say something like you were racing!

I think your best bet is to be honest in court. Do not admit to road racing. Admit your speed, say that you openly and honestly admitted to the policeman who pulled you over that you were doing 140kmh (not about 140!). And he used coersion and duress to try to get you to admit to 150.

Given your openness and the fact you did admit to a big speed when asked, you might have the charge downgraded to 140.

As for your mate - he also has a good chance as long as he didnt admit his speed. How the cops could determine he was doing 180 when they were doing 140 is even more open to a lawyers attacks.

Also...if they were accelerating hard after you, their speed would not have been steady, which makes it doubly as hard to accurately estimate the speed of a person they are chasing who is also pulling away from them. (ie both their speed and the targets speed is changing every fraction of a second!)

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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But he WAS street racing, he admitted that his friend "wanted to have a go" or similar. So, is he going to be honest, or is he going to say he wasn't street racing.

mickq, you are believe you are very well informed in such matters, what are your qualifications? Are you someone who has been through the system a number of times? Have you watched Blue Heelers a lot? The "buzz words" are there, but its not making much sense...