Direct quotes from Go Auto E news re HSV / PWR and a supercharger...

GoAuto -news e DECEMBER 1, 2004 Page 3

By BRUCE NEWTON

Expensive Daewoo Special Vehicles will launch spectacularly

into the aftermarket business next year

with its performance parts line-up headed by a

supercharger kit for the Gen III/LS1 V8 engine.

The Roots-style blower will be the most

expensive offering in a line-up initially expected

to comprise 25 items. It is expected to retail for

around $10,000 with 800-1250 forecast to be sold

per annum.

But the most spectacular numbers are the

potential performance the supercharger will extract

from the third generation small-block Chev.

HSV’s initial dyno testing using the now defunct

300kW Callaway C4B engine extracted around

350kW and 600Nm, with 500Nm kicking in from

2000rpm.

Those figures set new benchmarks in local

mainstream performance terms. They outdo HSV’s

own newly launched Z Series LS2 6.0-litre range

for kilowatts (297), and the brand new FPV F6

Typhoon turbocharged six-cylinder for Newton

metres (550).

But those figures are only preliminary, based on

a relatively low 5.5 psi of boost and without any

real attempts at calibration. .... (edit Yeh right....)

The final engine and transmission calibration

work has been handed over to Bosch as HSV

struggles with its own workload.

The suggestion is that more power could be extracted,

although that will obviously vary depending

on which Gen III/LS1 V8 is used as a base.

The supercharger is not an in-house HSV development,

rather it is the work of Queensland-based

PWR Performance and its US partner Magnuson.

The money man behind PWR is Queensland

businessman Kees Weel, who established the

company with son Paul back in 1998. Weel senior

also owns a V8 Supercar team for which his son

races.

PWR Performance specialises in the design and

manufacture of high-end radiators, oil coolers and

the like for racing and aftermarket applications. In

1998 it turned over $30,000; this year that figure

should top $7 million with substantial overseas

sales.

PWR initially got involved in the supercharger

project because Magnuson needed a water-to-air

intercooler for the supercharger it was developing

for the Australian-built Pontiac GTO.

One thing led to another and PWR became

intrinsically involved in the project – so much so

that Mr Weel contacted HSV managing director

John Crennan in mid-2003 to ascertain his interest

in adapting the unit for use by HSV.

“We are just going to offer a range of products

that I think will do a hell of a lot better job in terms

of quality, pricing, back-up, service etcetera than

what some of the – if you like – ‘amateurs’ are

doing,” Mr Crennan said. ..(Edit.. And who are we having a stab at here hey??)..

“If we have 25 key products in our tuning

portfolio, one or two are under Kees and one or two

are from other specialist companies, and another

two or three from other specialist companies, then

some from our own organisation. These are the

things that will make it up.”

Along with the supercharger, PWR will supply

Alcon brakes to the HSV line-up. PWR is the

Australian distributor for the British braking

system.

While ‘HSV Tuning’ has been the working

name for Mr Crennan’s after-market ambitions,

don’t expect that to make it through to sign-off.

“It probably won’t be. It will be from the House

of Clayton or the House of HSV, because we

will want to keep the pure brand name in the OE

product,” Mr Crennan said.

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THE supercharger kit for the third generation

Chev small-block engine is potentially only the

start of a HSV-PWR engine tuning relationship.

Next up is a plan to develop an aftermarket kit

for the LS2 V8 just launched by HSV in the Z

Series.

But further out is the prospect of developing a

supercharged version of the Alloytec V6 engine

for HSV’s VE Commodore-based range due

around mid-2006.

According to PWR Performance business

manager Mark Roworth, that is “the carrot at the

end of the vine” which has been dangled in front

of PWR by HSV owner Tom Walkinshaw and Mr

Crennan.

“Tom Walkinshaw identifi ed very strongly to us

that … his focus was going to be a V6 program,”

Mr Roworth said.

“So I guess one of the key goals for us is to

utilise the development process for the LS1 and

then embark on a joint development program for

a (FPV F6) Typhoon killer.”

The signifi cant difference compared to the

V8 projects, according to Mr Roworth, is that

Mr Walkinshaw sees the supercharged V6 as a

production model rather than as an aftermarket kit.

“PWR is a development company, and if you

are going to try and develop something, you want

to try and develop it to its full potential, which

means having it as an OE product would be

highly desirable,” said Mr Roworth.

“However, we are not sure whether HSV

would want to go down that path completely yet.

It’s certainly been given to us as a task to evaluate

whether this is at all feasible.”

And what about HSV turbocharging the

Alloytec? After all, Expensive Daewoo has revealed its

intentions with the Torana TT36 concept car,

complete with twin turbos. Wouldn’t it be easier

for HSV to launch off that program rather than go

off on another tangent?

Two main reasons are against this, argues Mr

Roworth – as a point of differentiation with FPV

which has embraced turbocharging for the F6

Typhoon and Tornado, and the long predicted lead

time on a twin-turbo V6 becoming available.

“At the moment they have a single-turbo 2.8

for the Saab program and obviously that does not

apply to what Expensive Daewoo and HSV would want,” Mr

Roworth said.

“But the twin turbo they have developed from

within GM is not planned to be in production

until around 2008.”

– BRUCE NEWTON

Correct me if I am wrong but...

Didnt one of the HSV chiefs say they were only in it for the V8 market... Looks like Tom has other ideas... (other thread re the Typhoon and Tornado.. )

Bring it on I say..

who cares..

honestly ford T's still have the better package. I mean CMOONN hsv, "optional $10 grand" ?? yeah no worries ill pull it from my back pocket.. get real boys. any fool with half a brain would get a vortech or somthing similar for 3/4 the price with even better power specs.

face it holden,you live for one thing.. and that's PROFIT!

who cares..

honestly ford T's still have the better package. I mean CMOONN hsv, "optional $10 grand" ?? yeah no worries ill pull it from my back pocket.. get real boys.  any fool with half a brain would get a vortech or somthing similar for 3/4 the price with even better power specs.

face it holden,you live for one thing.. and that's PROFIT!

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Depends what you get for $10K. Seems there are a number of XR6T owners on this forum that have spent at least this on their cars. APS Phase III (~340rwkw) kit is nearly $10K, and that's before you mod the engine or trans to cope. I reckon it would be great if FPV did a similar thing (for similar price to aftermarket tuners such as APS) for XR6T or XR8/GT.

Yeah but will they be adr compliant or you pay extra for that.

Yeah but will they be adr compliant or you pay extra for that.

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Yes they will be adr compliant, and they will also be under manufaturer warranty!

I think that it would be fantastic if ford did that, as Falchoon said many people have spent that on their 'T's imagine having it covered by a ford warranty aswell!

Theres a article in the december wheels mag, sound alright, its a roots style charger, developed by PWR and US company Magnuson.

Pretty neat package, PWR designed and built the water to air intercooler, that fits between the blower and intake manifold, they also designed a trick idler shaft, that directs drive rewards so that all the crank driven accesories remain untouched!

I think that they sell very well, alot of Expensive Daewoo fans buying clubbies etc... will looking at this to keep up with the mighty F6!

Ba$tards

who cares..

honestly ford T's still have the better package. I mean CMOONN hsv, "optional $10 grand" ?? yeah no worries ill pull it from my back pocket.. get real boys.  any fool with half a brain would get a vortech or somthing similar for 3/4 the price with even better power specs.

face it holden,you live for one thing.. and that's PROFIT!

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Depends what you get for $10K. Seems there are a number of XR6T owners on this forum that have spent at least this on their cars. APS Phase III (~340rwkw) kit is nearly $10K, and that's before you mod the engine or trans to cope. I reckon it would be great if FPV did a similar thing (for similar price to aftermarket tuners such as APS) for XR6T or XR8/GT.

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yeah but atleast with the T's you can get over 800nm of torque for $10K... I know id rather torque than kw's anyday.

still, to save the wallet id much rather just buy a xr6T and spend 10-20K on mods.. you still scrape in saving 30G rather than buying a clubsport and then that option.

the only thing I see being good about it is the "factory warranty"

oh well, each to their own I guess, hey its not my wallet!

Holdens dreaming it will never take of, thay just have to addmit that fords got one over them and that is that. besides if the put any more dam power through that pice of crap chasie the things going to fall apart around there custormers