Mals, is there not even wheel spin with traction control off in the auto? Couldn't find the button at time of testing. (But I eventually did, and felt like an idiot!) And yes a suspension thing could possibly contribute. As a rule of thumb, the 'harder' the suspension, the easier it is to break traction. In drift racing, the bump valving in the shocks is very harsh, and so breaking traction is easy. I dunno if this type of theory applies in this case, but they do have the new suspension in the Turbo, so I guess it may be possible that the AU XR8 hard harder suspension. Any one else got an idea? or something to add/correct me on?