FFS keep it on-topic, discuss this specific issue and leave it at that. We all have bad experiences with every profession, who cares, get over it.

Get a stat dec from a JP saying they saw the missed call in your records. Take it to court, represent yourself, get off scott free as you should. Magistrates aren't stupid. Common sense should prevail. Don't just pay it and lose 3 points for someone elses incompetence.

I know your going to say youve tried this and it worked or something very similar, but please everybody lets give this one a go.

I.B.

I didn't even know my post was removed may I ask why?

It was the wrong one removed...we stuffed up sorry

Reinstated, but to save scrolling back...

Its funny, your pretty much a community killing road terrorist if your using a mobile, yet everyday on the Mitchell freeway on the way to and from work I see people playing with GPS units, women putting lipstick and make up on and the 5-0 dont bat an eyelid.

Using a mobile phone is an offence and for good reason if you look at your phone to see who is calling you where is your attention focussed?

GPS is considered a driving aid so it is generally excempt from this legislation but an ipod etc etc is not.

When you loose sight of the road and your attention is diverted to something else you are but one step away from being a community killing road terrorist same goes with putting on lipstick and any other stupid behaviour. I remember a job where a lipstick container was found in the back of a womans throat after she hit a tree in a quiet Sydney street the community was lucky only in that she didn't hit a child or a person before she hit the tree and that her stupidity only resulted in her own death.

When you crash and kill someone and it is considered that your attention was away on another task, changing cd's on the phone etc etc then you are commiting the offence of Dangerous Driving Occasioning Death and in some very hot water. I know you cant generally crash when you are stationary but you also cannot react to someone elses stupid behaviour when you are not paying attention and your own safety I would think is important even more so if you have younger precious cargo...

It is unfortunate when we are caught commiting any offence no matter how minor but if we don't follow the rules then we slide into anarchy and then no one is safe forget about yourself and think about how poor the other drivers are when you ponder these rules.

Unfortunatly with the mobile phone legislation people have come up with numerous excuses to try and bluff the police out of a ticket ( I am not refering to this instance as I do not know ) so the police become weary of the excuses that said to be eligible for any form of caution you need to admit your offence.

If you feel hard done by in any instance when dealing with the police court is the logical answer. Many people have many different ideas on how to defend a matter but only you know because you were there, sometimes you will win sometimes you will loose but there is no formula for this and a win does not necessarily mean you were right and the police were wrong it just means the burden of proof was not met or the magistarte/ judge felt you had been through enough or they themselves don't agree with a certain rule. There is no burdon of proof for issuing the ticket this only becomes an issue in a court matter.. I hope my rambling is understandable.

My opinion only mate..

Like I said IB, some are pushing it beyond the spirit/original intent of the legislation. That's what sucks the most.

I have no doubt there is a sense of jubilation when a L plater is clocked at 150kph and beyond. There would be overwhelming support on here for this example, but not for using ones phone?

Though not common, more ppl have been injured and killed on our roads using a phone while driving, however the majority on here would rather see more shoplifters locked up???

We must serioulsy look at our misguided morality

I.B.

Picking up my phone to get a number out of it whilst stuck in traffic at a set of traffic lights...god knows how many lives I endangered then. I'm grateful for being pulled over and having my life (and countless others) saved.

You should have been locked up, that's up there with attempted murder.

DRIVERS using mobile phones and GPS devices on their laps will fined under new Victorian laws.

From November all hand-held mobile phones and navigation devices must be fitted in a car holder or cradle.

Drivers who flout the laws will risk $234 fines, plus three demerit points for mobile phone offences.

Roads Minister Tim Pallas said the new laws were needed to catch up with advances in technology and driver behaviour.

"Talking on a hand-held mobile phone while driving is reckless and increases the risk of a crash fourfold,'' he said.

"The advice is simple - hands on the wheel and eyes on the road.''

From November, motorcyclists will be banned from carrying pillion passengers aged under eight.

It will also be illegal to overtake or carry out U-turns across single unbroken dividing lines.

In the four years to 2008, U-turns accounted for 19 deaths and more than 600 serious accidents, Mr Pallas said.

The new road safety laws bring Victoria into line with national standards.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5005961,00.html

It will also be illegal to overtake or carry out U-turns across single unbroken dividing lines.

I thought this was always illegal

Picking up my phone to get a number out of it whilst stuck in traffic at a set of traffic lights...god knows how many lives I endangered then. I'm grateful for being pulled over and having my life (and countless others) saved.

Tab you really need to wake up to yourself, all those people you endangered whilst at a complete stop is just irresponsible.

IB is right we are all irresponsible scum and need to be punished like the delinquents we truly are

I have no doubt there is a sense of jubilation when a L plater is clocked at 150kph and beyond. There would be overwhelming support on here for this example, but not for using ones phone?

Though not common, more ppl have been injured and killed on our roads using a phone while driving, however the majority on here would rather see more shoplifters locked up???

We must serioulsy look at our misguided morality

I.B.

have you missed the bit were he was stopped and not driving and not actually using the mobile to make a call???

Cops are tops, its not there fault they cant think about things with reason and logic. Its funny though my job entails studying real life accident data from all over the world not just the data from NSW police/RTA that is always skewed towards revenue raising and I see very little evidence that mobile phones being used at traffic lights causes accidents. GPS units whilst driving on the other hand I see alot more of them come across my desk, and what do I see the most ignoring the obvious police data of speeding being the cause is poor roads, poor driver training and general lack of concentration.

Misguided morality????? Sounds like a typical response from someone who doesnt want to deal with the real problems faced by society, the fact someone can beat someone to within an inch of there lives gets away with a smaller penalty then someone who looks down at a phone whilst stopped at lights suggests your morality, reason, and common sense may be the thing that needs looking at.