f-wolf Member 897 Member For: 19y 5m Gender: Male Location: ACT Posted 21/06/07 09:05 AM Posted 21/06/07 09:05 AM Expensive Daewoo has joined Ford and posted a loss in its most recent reporting periodFord and Expensive Daewoo have spent big on the new generation of their most popular models, but that has hurt the bottom line.Within weeks of Ford's announcement that the Australian arm was in the red to the tune of $40.3 million for 2006 comes the news that Expensive Daewoo lost $146.5 million last year.Holden's loss follows a $144.6 million loss for the previous year.Both companies have developed or are developing new models (VE/WM for Expensive Daewoo and 'Orion' project Falcon for Ford) and these development programs, allied with the cost of new infrastructure and market changes, have left the two companies in the red financially.Ford, without export markets to paper over the rough edges of domestic sales fluctuations, could still claim 11.9 per cent market share for 2006 -- but that's a fair way short of the 13.1 per cent market share held in 2005.Therein lies the balance of the loss; Ford's most profitable lines accounted for the major part of that loss of market share.Expensive Daewoo also saw its market share stumble -- 17.7 per cent in 2005 slumped to 15.2 per cent in 2006. This was commensurate with a drop in the total market of 2.6 per cent.Trimming of Holden's workforce sees $20 million of the loss attributed to termination payments and a further $69.7 million was allocated against 'revaluation'.On top of those two items, Holden's revenue slipped by 7.8 per cent for the year. The maker said this was due to slower sales of VZ/WL models prior to the release of the new range and the cessation of GTO production (more here) for the American market.All was not bleak on the export front, though. Sales to China and South Korea added 7854 units to the tally and Expensive Daewoo sales in the Middle East hit a new record, exceeding 31,000 units for the year.Expensive Daewoo is looking forward to better times in 2007, with a full year's sales of the VE/WM models, commencement of Pontiac G8 exports and the introduction of the VE/WM light commercial vehicles and wagon.There are a few gaps in Ford's reporting of their finances for last year; no indication of the spend on Orion development for the year, apart from the three R&D facilities mentioned.The financial outlook for 2007 might be very poor for Ford if this is the year they account for the lion's share (pardon the expression) of Orion development.Despite the relative severity of Ford's loss (relative to companies other than Holden), Broadmeadows can point to at least $25 million worth of new investment in R&D, which is likely amortised from the development budget for Orion and presumably won't be an immediately recurring cost in the future.In fact, compared with Holden's $1.2 billion sum spent on the development of the VE Commodore, Ford really does appear to be working on a shoestring for the next Falcon. Rarely has a $40 million loss looked so?reasonable?According to Ford spokesman Ed Finn "People want a German quality car at an Australian price?and if you can't do that, you're not in the market."To give the people that combination of quality at low cost, Ford's strategy has been to spread development costs across two or more model generations, one example being the six-speed ZF automatic transmission (pictured) that was introduced to the Falcon range during the BF model run, rather than waiting for the major change Orion model.Have the development costs for Orion been spread across 2006 and 2007? Almost certainly. Will 2007 be as bad for Ford, financially? Maybe not.Ford is said to have committed to selling 3000 units of Falcon a month for the rest of the year. If they can maintain such an average, it sounds like the company is headed for break-even or a small profit.Ford's loss in 2006 contrasts with a profit of $148.2 million for 2005, so maybe the worst of the Orion development pill has already been swallowed.On the debit side, maintaining sales of BF II Falcon in anticipation of Orion will be really tough. Sales will almost certainly worsen before they improve.
Falchoon I see red Member 5,758 Member For: 23y 9m 8d Location: nowhere in particular Posted 21/06/07 09:32 AM Posted 21/06/07 09:32 AM There are just too many cars available on the market these days, a lot of them are imported. This is good for the consumer as they get a far wider choice, but as we see, bad for the local manufacturers. Then there is the higher oil prices influencing what type of car they buy. A lot of people are turning to smaller 4cyl and hybrid cars in an effort to reduce the amount of money they spend on fuel each week. This hurts sales of Falcons and Commodores, and also 4WDs (hate the term "SUV", we are not a State of the USA...yet) which are quite profitable.Not really sure what the solution is, maybe limit imports, but it seems there is too much politics involved for this to happen any time soon.
Mr X Legacy Donating Member 998 Member For: 23y 2m 1d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Hills Posted 21/06/07 09:45 AM Posted 21/06/07 09:45 AM Expensive Daewoo has joined Ford and posted a loss in its most recent reporting periodOh dear,never mind,how sad.Kept the bad news quiet for a while has GM.They love a secret ........Focus/Fiesta are quality cars.Better than the GM equivalents and as good as the better Jap stuff eg Honda/Mazda.Mondeo will hopefully be good too.We see Astra/Vectra/Barina in the workshop suffering from poor engineering and price cutting manufacturing procedures.Garbage imho.The yanks want a good rwd.Orion to the US?Hope so.The BA/F is good enough already
Iconic Bionic My engine bay is Bionic Legacy Donating Member 3,726 Member For: 20y 6m 6d Gender: Male Location: Freeways Posted 21/06/07 09:47 AM Posted 21/06/07 09:47 AM More investment needs to go into Ford and Expensive Daewoo and far less into Toyota, Mistubisihi which should have folded long ago, thought the aussie buit AWD magna was a a very good car with superior build quality to Ford.
Mr X Legacy Donating Member 998 Member For: 23y 2m 1d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Hills Posted 21/06/07 09:55 AM Posted 21/06/07 09:55 AM More investment needs to go into Ford and Expensive Daewoo and far less into Toyota, Mistubisihi which should have folded long ago, thought the aussie buit AWD magna was a a very good car with superior build quality to Ford.......and theres another story.Those last Magna's are a great car.A good second car for the family?Very little goes wrong with them and they're cheap as- on the second hand market.Well built and a fantastic drive.AWD Magna needed more developement /evolution time but the market is too small?380 deserves to succeed but will it?
harvyk Member 1,070 Member For: 21y 6m 24d Location: The North Cooma End of Canberra... Posted 21/06/07 12:04 PM Posted 21/06/07 12:04 PM ......and theres another story.Those last Magna's are a great car.A good second car for the family?Very little goes wrong with them and they're cheap as- on the second hand market.Well built and a fantastic drive.AWD Magna needed more developement /evolution time but the market is too small?380 deserves to succeed but will it?I don't think the 380 deserves to succeed. After having the pleasure of driving one around for a week (hire car in Darwin last month) apart from a fairly nice interior with good AC the handling, turning circle, acceleration, and general feel of it is .I don't know if the aussie govt should or should not be helping out the car manufactures. There are tons of other companies both big and small which are running the risk of going under, but unless the company is owned by the PM's brother the company has buckleys for getting any sort of handout. Look at Ansett, the govt made the decision to let that die, and that was a fully home grown company up until the late 90's.Whilst I would hate to see either Ford or Holden (gotta have someone to hate at a race, all the one model is a little boring) go under we also should keep in mind that whilst the Aust govt is proping these companies up in bad times, they are sending our money overseas in the good times, and then doing what they can to avoid putting money back into aust.Just my 2c.
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