Aps Stage 1 Kit

[turbotom]

See,there ya go three cheers for the new Turbo Goose (turbotom)

vik...now that's what I call service

Looks like I've been christened with a new name...

Hey Vik, does that make you my Godfather?

tubby

[blueboost]

yeh your tuner is right they seem to be harder to work out, but that is there problem not yours, I would go the edit, and injectors, and with your cool weather you should be able to have 270rwks by just edit,injectors, and custom tune. (some get more some get less) but as the others said, its a good bang for your buck. and in a auto with traction, that power has the potenial to run a easy 12 sec pass.

David

[JB]

He told me that not many ppl know how to use the flash properly and that's why he doesnt use it??

That comment alone is the one reason you don't use people like that. Either he's a thick as a brick or pushing his own best interests onto you.

[rob82]

He told me that not many ppl know how to use the flash properly and that's why he doesnt use it??

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That comment alone is the one reason you don't use people like that. Either he's a thick as a brick or pushing his own best interests onto you.

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And I'm sure you know the inner workings of fords boost control methodology.

[xr0500]

so an edit and injectors is the way to go then!

and it wouldnt hurt to get an aftermarket intercooler and a larger cat of would it cause damage to the gearbox if not strengthed? surely these thighs just make it breathe easier and the tuner wouldn't be putting the boost up too high to cause damage? and I would have to watch out for boost spikeing?

[turbotom]

so an edit and injectors is the way to go then!

and it wouldnt hurt to get an aftermarket intercooler and a larger cat of would it cause damage to the gearbox if not strengthed? surely these thighs just make it breathe easier and the tuner wouldn't be putting the boost up too high to cause damage? and I would have to watch out for boost spikeing?

Like I said previously, you're in Tassie, and temps are much cooler down there....

An IC is NOT as essential as it is in Northen Australia (or Adelaide in summer)

A larger IC will mean that you don't experience as big a power drop off as the standard IC after long hard runs. A larger IC keeps the inlet temps to the motor cooler, hence better consistency of power. Generally, with a larger IC, you can run a bit more boost to get slightly more power.

An IC is a good mod if you are into lengthy high power output sessions, such as circuit racing. For drag racing, if you allow sufficient time for your stock IC to cool between runs, you'll still get excellent times with the stock IC.

Also free up the inlet tract, by adding an additional cold air intake.....

A simple lo cost method is to cut out a hole of your airbox and add some large diameter (~ 100 mm) flexible piping and set it up to draw air from just below/behind the passenger headlight.

There are aftermarket units available also.... but you pay for it, and all they do is just improve the ability for cool air to be sucked into the airbox compared to the stock intake pipe which comes across the front and sits above the radiator.

Have a good idea of what you want from your car.

Tell the tuner what you want.

A good tuner can set up the car to be a radical high performance rubber shredding sideways stepping thrill machine, or can peg it back a bit to be more driveable and reliable.

Of course there are more stresses on the engine and gearbox as you increase power. Longevity will depend a lot on how you drive.

If you are mechanically unsympathetic (brake lockup burnouts, reverse to first wheelies, continuously hard on the throttle) then the simple EDIT trans mods will probably not be sufficient. For heavy use, some internal trans mods would be recommended .

A trans cooler, in my opinion, should be a priority in any modified "T". Get one fitted if you mod your engine for more power.

Exhaust systems ...... You can pay a lot for some, and they may NOT necessarily give you any gains.... just a lot of noise, and in some cases annoying droning.

Do a search and get some feedback from other members. APS system is excellent, but very expensive.

The standard T exhaust is actually very good..... although a larger hi-flow cat would improve the ability for exhaust to exit, and reduce the back pressure on the turbo (and exhaust valves)

speaking if valves, you may want to consider the replacement of the stockies. In some cases, members have had issues at higher power outputs.

If I was you, and I didn't want to go overboard with cash outlay, but want a good reliable fast T, then I'd simply start with the CAI, the Edit and custom tuning.

Aim for about 240~250 rwkw ( that's equivalent to a manufacturer rating of about 300 kw . That alone will put a smile on your dial. You'll be hunting lions with confidence.

If you want to up the ante.... get the larger injectors. They'll provide you with the ability to get around 280 rwkw... maybe more, as it can be tuned for your colder conditions.... (by the way, CAN you get decent PULP in tassie?)

The figures I'm quoting are for 98 RON PULP... You can even get a bit more power if you ask for a race map for a blended higher octane fuel (or octane boosted pulp --- some guys use toluene as an octane booster)

270 rwkw with toluene is possible with the stock injectors

If you still want more power..... then get yourself an IC fitted.

But now we're talking serious power for the T: 300+ rwkw

and there are limitations on the stock internals of the motor.. For an auto, around the 310 rwkw figure seems to be the limit for no serious problems.... but it does depend on your tuners abilities.

To be honest, I have a 260 rwkw everyday map, and a race map which has over 300 rwkw. 260 rwkw is more than ample to keep me smiling (and on my toes, especially in the wet) The race map is just that.... for the drag strip.

Too radical for street use...... I am an ol' knut after all.

Whatever you choose to do, select your tuner carefully.

He's NOT going to be around the corner to make a quick software mod to your box. To give peace of mind, I wouldn't be asking for a highly strung "highest power output possible" tune. I'd discuss your requirements, and allow the tuner to give you his advice ...

I travelled from Adelaide, to have my tune done in Melbourne. I am happy with my setup.

cheers

tom

[ducatijb]

Good post Tom...just a ferry trip,have a night at Kittens and let one of the Melbourne guru's work their magic...you may struggle to get some of the mainland dyno figures due to the crap fuel in Tassie...

Whats the latest on 98ron coming there??

[dingah2]

Some good info has been placed on this thread for you in amongst some rather emotive rubbish.

The APS gear costs are as you have been informed and the Edit costs are almost comparable as the cost of the Edit Flasher 'box' which contains your three different PCM tunes is around $1000 but the cost of geting the car correctly custom tuned by someone who really knows how is nearly as much again - say $800 plus of course your visit to Melbourne - therein the costs are becoming comparable.

Do not go down the Edit path without getting it custom tuned as it is almost inevitable that you will, at some stage, encounter 'issues' that can only be safely overcome by custom tuning.

You are then into an assessment of risk versus reward.

The PCM software within your PCM is extremely complex and despite some claims to the contrary VERY few have other than a shallow understanding of its complex relationships and the potential outcomes of adjusting its values.

The benefit of Unichip, or any Piggyback is that the PCM software is NEVER touched but selected signal inputs to it can be changed, altered or bent to achieve different outcomes using the logic within the PCM to do the management. This limits just how far the APS/Unichip system can go in terms of achieving its outcomes whereas Edit does exactly that, it allows tuners to edit or change an enormous range of parameters within your PCM and loads up to three different sets or combinations in the flasher box which can then be downloaded into your PCM at any time by you replacing the original factory software which is itself uploaded and stored in that box for re-use should you so desire.

Your tuner was quite right in what he said - in comparison to Edit, the APS set-up is all but risk free where the torque and power levels achievable by the different stages are as stated in their company flyers, and their franchisees are bound to stay within those parameters.

The latest trend is Edit as in the right hands it has the potential to draw more performance for a lower buck but at a greater risk than Unichip based solutions, and this thread has drawn out all those Edit users (including myself) that have gone down that path. Sadly some of them are a little one-eyed in their beliefs.

I have successfully adopted both set-ups. I ran APS Phases I and II without ANY issues for ages ultimately at around 280RWKW with great fuel consumption and all round performance. For whatever reason I thought I'd give the Edit a go to see what all the fuss was about and entered into a dreaful period which nearly wrecked my car for the reasons previously stated - very few really know what they are doing - it was as though they are generally applying the program that last worked on someone else's car and hoping for the best. My Edit tunes are now sorted although I still fiddle around the edges with it - why...hmmm probably because we can! My fuel comsumption is a little lower, idles are nicer, the gearbox changes have been adjusted a little and my torque application is a little more aggressive compared to the Unichip parameters.

So in summary the decsion is yours and no one else's, the risks are definitely lower with Unichip but so are the options and perfprmance levels achieveable. The costs when you map out all of the requirements are not as different as some would have you believe.

If you want any more unemotive experiences on APS Phase I Phase II or Edit feel free to PM me as these threads generally dont take too long to de-generate into a mess.

Cheers,

Dingah

[Mick Molloy]

Intercooler in Tasssie...... haveyou guys been there.....its FREEEEEZING.....

[JB]

He told me that not many ppl know how to use the flash properly and that's why he doesnt use it??

That comment alone is the one reason you don't use people like that. Either he's a thick as a brick or pushing his own best interests onto you.

And I'm sure you know the inner workings of fords boost control methodology.

I'd take it from that comment you would be the tuner?

I would think that if you knew your stuff that you would recommend to your customer what options there are on the market, and what was the better option to go for based on price/results etc.

To answer your silly little remark with the quick response it deserves, I got a fair bit of exposure to it by my car being one of the first customed tuned ones in Aus. In particular it was HPF's first car they did, so it spent 3 weeks there being used for research and ironing out some bugs that they encountered in the programming. In particular the Boost spiking problem that was an issue within the edit programme. We then worked with martin (Capa) and also the US in putting together duyty cycle tables etc that are now what I am lead to believe are a a permenent component of the Edit programme.

Also in the early days running a Unichip and spending some time with Peter down at APS I got to learn alot during the early development of enhancing the T, and what was the right and wrong way to go about things. That coupled with the people I have spent time with here and learnt from there experinces.

I am not saying Unichips no good, however technology improves and to say not many people know how to use the technology is rubbish.

sh*t, come to think of it based on what you telling your customers, Most of the Longer serving members could probably advise a customer better than you.