Question About Injectors

[JB]

Ok, first  have heard of that. There have been a number of people who have had to change them over when wanting to go 320rwkw onwards. Adam was one of them who had to fork out for 968's ontop of the Nizpro ones as they could'nt keep up with the requirements.

well the ones that I use are bigger then the 968's, the early ones where around the same as a 968.

That maybe it then. Makes sense.

Cheers

JB

[JB]

First off, who will be doing the tuning. This is the most important item. All the best bits won't be worth sh*t if the tuner doesn't tune it right. The CAPA edit is a complicated tuning tool and it would be advisable to go to someone with a lot of experience with it.

As for the mods, here is what I would do if I was starting from scratch now.

I'd do as much as I could straight away and do as few steps as possible as each step will need a new custom tune. During the stages I would only get 1 tune done each time to keep the cost down and when I'm finished I'd then get all 3 tunes done. Here is what will generate more power in an order that it should be done in.

Edit with custom tune

2nd CAI- do some research a copy of the Typhoon setup is good.

Good quality air filter

If keeping the stock exhaust remove centre muffler.

The above will get you to around 245-260rwkw's

Bigger injectors-968's or Eugene

Bigger fuel pump- I'd go Bosch inline 600hp. Walbro intank is another option

To free up the pressure on exhaust valves you need to either do the valve springs or make the cat free flowing. This can be done by buying a high flow cat or by gutting the original cat.

The above will get you to around 300rwkw's and have you doing 11's in an auto.

Next step

Bigger intercooler-HPF,APS and Rajab are all great. No doubt there are other good options aswell.

Redo plumbing- I have CAI under where the battery was. (Battery is in boot).

This will get you to around 320-330rwkw's.

To go any further I'd look at putting stronger rods and pistons in the car.

Any mods that take you past 250rwkw's will involve making the driveline stronger. In the manual this would involve the clutch and in the auto you would need to looka at bands and clutches, trans cooler and possibly some valvebody work. A higher stall could be an option aswell.

Hope this helps.

Geea.

becareful mate people might think you know what your talking about.

For God's sake don't tell him he knows what he is doing, It will undo everything!

[robboxr6t]

Dont Eugenes need adaptors too?

You either have to change connectors in the loom or get adapters to suit. He supplies the connectors with the injectors & I did supply a few people the adapters who wanted a simple plug & go answer!

Russ

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I just recently got injectors off eugene and paid $510.

and had to get adapters fitted into the existing loom to support it and it was sh$%. it doesnt look standard at all, ford can pick it.

you best getting your standard injectors drilled and fitted for $800.

[Flukey]

Dont Eugenes need adaptors too?

You either have to change connectors in the loom or get adapters to suit. He supplies the connectors with the injectors & I did supply a few people the adapters who wanted a simple plug & go answer!

Russ

it doesnt look standard at all, ford can pick it.

you best getting your standard injectors drilled and fitted for $800.

Hence why I have drilled injectors in my car. It looks stock under the bonnet.

[JB]

Dont Eugenes need adaptors too?

You either have to change connectors in the loom or get adapters to suit. He supplies the connectors with the injectors & I did supply a few people the adapters who wanted a simple plug & go answer!

Russ

I just recently got injectors off eugene and paid $510.

and had to get adapters fitted into the existing loom to support it and it was sh$%. it doesnt look standard at all, ford can pick it.

you best getting your standard injectors drilled and fitted for $800.

Why would you want to drill your existing injectors? I do not understand how people come onto this forum for 5 minutes and preach comments like that without doing any of the research? If you look back on the forum there is alot of technical data in relation to this. Off the cuff comments like just drill your injectors to me is just reckless.

Use the 968's then, they will cost the same if not less than the $800 it will cost you anyway. You can then return the car to stock whenever you like. Why pay the same money to have something done to an injector that was not designed the way to operate once drilled? In the 3 years I had my T Ford never picked it up once, and for those who know my car was in the dealers regularly. Or as suggested it looks like Nizpro have increased theirs so there is that option as well, at least Simon knows what he is doing and has done the testing.

Drilling you existing injectors will result in issues, this has been said before by many tuners. The other question I have is if you drill your existing injectors where do you go from there with your tunes? You will never be able to programme the car back to stock if you want to sell it unless you then fork out no doubt close to another few hundred from ford for new ones. If your worried about ford knowing you have modded your car then drilling your existing injectors is not the way to go.

A question to the tuners out there, if you drill or get someone t drill your existing injectors (not ones professionally done by Nizpro) being that they will not have a regulated spray pattern, result in not being able to get a consistent spray or measure of fuel into the chamber?

I have heard of tuners having issues with drilled ones in them unable to get a consistant AFR?

[Xtreme F6]

Hey JB

I guess the reason why so many go the drilled route is because one they look stock and 2 they are supplied by one of the most reputible businesses in the country, I wouldnt use anyone elses drilled injectors BUT NIZPROS, I know that from a tuning point of view they work and work well, they are very easy to tune with and never give grief. Its not so much recless when they are done correctly and obviously Nizpro wouldnt let them leave there shop if they didnt know they where correct.

ohh and customers of mine that I tune there cars I supply these injectors for 650 fitted. SO its cheaper then the 968's aswell and there is no having to mess with plugs ect ect

Edited 10/01/06 04:07 AM by Xtreme F6

[thebrunks]

Is that $650 with the customers injectors exchanged????

IE the customer has to give you their injectors in exchange for the new set plus $650.

Or do they get to keep their old injectors??

Russ

[F6 RAPID]

You keep the old ones. Also to a previous post made dude, the spray IS correct as they are a drilled factory injector - can't get much better than that!

[robboxr6t]

ive only suggested the drilled option because a well known tuner I used had promoted these injectors for there cars. and yes I know that drilling out injectors obviously will not flow as good as designed high flow injectors, but they probley would of suited me better because I am only after about 270rwkw, and peace of mind that ford dont void my warranty.

As for the injectors that eugene supplied me, I have nothing against them as I have only heard good reveiws about them and they do the job when it comes to further mods 300rwkw +.

The only prob I have with these injectors is that when my t goes in for warranty or service the injectors need to be pulled out and the adapters need to be cut off, aswell as hooking up the standard injectors and adapters. otherwise my car blows a sh%$ load of smoke on factory tune.

[igsta]

If you are going to get drilled injectors only get the nizpro ones, I wouldnt let anyone drill your own. The nizpro ones are very good, they have exactly the same pattern as factory, as the existing holes in the injectors are used only made bigger. The ecu reads the same ohms on the injectors as others are higher or lower. They look perfectly stock and will cost you about $650.

So you will be safe with nizpros injectors or 968's