Lost My Licence

[Guest mrcrazydude]

As stated already, make a note of everything that was said while it is fresh in your mind. Also, I am led to believe Police are now able to record you, on tape or mic, without having to inform you first.

Chris

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Hey Guys, was hoping to clarify a couple things here.

firstly, to the cops out there, I think its awesome you take the time to be involved with something like this. For the most part y'all do an awesome job.

But what is the speed at which you are s'posed to abandon a chase? From what I'm aware of, its at 160kph... if they are claiming he was doing 150kph for any lenght of time..... anyone else see the discrepancy? (less of course I'm wrong... been known to happen before )

Second.... if they can tape us without saying anything..... whats the flipside? If we were to just happen to, say, have a small recording device lying around in the car, and it happened to be on during the conversation. How many laws are we breaking that they apparently aren't, or is this legal?

Sticker perhaps on the rear windscreen "Warning, driver may record all converstations in/around the car!"

Tim

[tuffxr6]

Plonky said it best when he acknowledged the overall road rule infringments that happen every 50 meters or so now, drivers are getting worse, in my opinion, someone who changes lanes without indicating while travelling 80Km/hr in a 110 zone into the right lane where someone is travelling 110 (the speed limit), then that is much more dangerous than someone doing 125 km/hr in a 110 zone.

But as for the dude in the Army Reserves, mate if you think you are hard done by, then take the fine off XRtuff and be happy with that after you get the apology from the cop, that apparently gave you a bit. Like plonky said, that is a better approach then stuffing peoples lives up financially, when times are tough for most already. sh*t I'd be over the moon just to get a yelling. Hey and I too have been through Kapooka, and it is way easier now then it used to be, you think that's tough, ask a WO, just how bad the yelling used to be, so in retrospec it is a holiday in Kapooka now compared to the real days of old. And listen to plonky would ya, don't argue with him, hes one of the few cops who actually sees and understands why the public are frustrated, hes not saying what he said to be a martyr for the Police force, hes simply telling you "You were really lucky" be happy with that, sh*t I would hate to go to war with you as my neighbour in the jungle, yoiu think that cop can speak out of line, you ain't heard nothing till you hear me cursing your ass for nearly getting me killed. Grow a pair quick smart dude, the indonesians are coming.

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Wtf,what are you going on about how was I really lucky I got fined $700 dollars and lost my licence for 6 months for doing 140km/h in a 110 zone have you read the thread propley,the reason I stated I was in the army reserve because plonky said people didny know what disipline is these days(implying I didnt know anything about disipline),this forum is going down the drain what sort of post is that,

[BA_Turbs]

To answer the question about taping conversation, if you are a party to the conversation, then you can tape it. It's that simple. If you are not a party to the conversation, you need a warrant to allow a LD or you need to ask the permission of the people you are taping.

Magistrates and police are not in bed anymore. These days were long ago. I have heard all those stories and it is increadible how anti-police many magistrates are these days. This is mostly becasue magistrates are all former defence soliciters now!

Your driving history has nothing to do with it. You could have commited this offence 500 times in the past but that does not even allowed to be mentioned until after you have been found guilty (if this ends up being the situation). Once that has transpired, the severity of your sentence is what will be affected by your history, not your guilt.

There is no mandatory speed for stopping pursuits in Victoria, it is about 6,500 times more complicated than that. I don't know about Queensland

Take it to court and then offer us an unbiased and honest account of what the magistrate says to you. I would very much enjoy reading that.

You could try pleading insanity, it would seem appropriate for someone who has conducted a street race in front of a police car....

[sbr79]

WHOOPS my mistake thought the guy who got off with a verbal serving said he was in the ARMY RESERVE, NOT YOU. that's why I said he should talk too you, but it is you my mistake, OH and I did mean what I said about KAPOOKA, it is a holiday these days, but still good for young dudes, they learn just how small their doodle is compared to the others.

Once again sorry TUFF, I actually agree with you dude. it was a stuff up on my account. I was aiming that at the dude who did a wheel spin and thought he was hard done by, I was comparing him to you. See he got a verbal you have too pay see what I was getting at now... soz buddy.

[sbr79]

To answer the question about taping conversation, if you are a party to the conversation, then you can tape it. It's that simple. If you are not a party to the conversation, you need a warrant to allow a LD or you need to ask the permission of the people you are taping.

Magistrates and police are not in bed anymore. These days were long ago. I have heard all those stories and it is increadible how anti-police many magistrates are these days. This is mostly becasue magistrates are all former defence soliciters now!

Your driving history has nothing to do with it. You could have commited this offence 500 times in the past but that does not even allowed to be mentioned until after you have been found guilty (if this ends up being the situation). Once that has transpired, the severity of your sentence is what will be affected by your history, not your guilt.

There is no mandatory speed for stopping pursuits in Victoria, it is about 6,500 times more complicated than that. I don't know about Queensland

Take it to court and then offer us an unbiased and honest account of what the magistrate says to you. I would very much enjoy reading that.

You could try pleading insanity, it would seem appropriate for someone who has conducted a street race in front of a police car.... 

Just a quick question, If I recollected my side of the story and so does a police officer, Isn't it a case of dafermation/defermation... for calling me a liar if I in fact am telling the truth, and the Police change their recollection. After all his memory is made up of the same brain matter as mine.... so why should anyones word be taken as truthful without PROOF, I.e a radar read out and ticket, not estimations, afterall, there is lots of revenue to be made by such exaggerated estimations of motorists speeds, and if a policemans word is more truthful than that of anyone else in the public, then how is it JUSTICE within a democratic society. Especially when on the otherhand a Pervert who molesters a child can get off if cops don't have proof, and theie word isn't enough in those situations, doesn't this sort of contradiction make a mockery of the Justice System to a certain extent. Just a question please do not take it personally dude???

[BA_Turbs]

To answer the question about taping conversation, if you are a party to the conversation, then you can tape it. It's that simple. If you are not a party to the conversation, you need a warrant to allow a LD or you need to ask the permission of the people you are taping.

Magistrates and police are not in bed anymore. These days were long ago. I have heard all those stories and it is increadible how anti-police many magistrates are these days. This is mostly becasue magistrates are all former defence soliciters now!

Your driving history has nothing to do with it. You could have commited this offence 500 times in the past but that does not even allowed to be mentioned until after you have been found guilty (if this ends up being the situation). Once that has transpired, the severity of your sentence is what will be affected by your history, not your guilt.

There is no mandatory speed for stopping pursuits in Victoria, it is about 6,500 times more complicated than that. I don't know about Queensland

Take it to court and then offer us an unbiased and honest account of what the magistrate says to you. I would very much enjoy reading that.

You could try pleading insanity, it would seem appropriate for someone who has conducted a street race in front of a police car.... 

Just a quick question, If I recollected my side of the story and so does a police officer, Isn't it a case of dafermation/defermation... for calling me a liar if I in fact am telling the truth, and the Police change their recollection. After all his memory is made up of the same brain matter as mine.... so why should anyones word be taken as truthful without PROOF, I.e a radar read out and ticket, not estimations, afterall, there is lots of revenue to be made by such exaggerated estimations of motorists speeds, and if a policemans word is more truthful than that of anyone else in the public, then how is it JUSTICE within a democratic society. Especially when on the otherhand a Pervert who molesters a child can get off if cops don't have proof, and theie word isn't enough in those situations, doesn't this sort of contradiction make a mockery of the Justice System to a certain extent. Just a question please do not take it personally dude???

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You've asked about 6 questions there. The first is a civil matter, not criminal, so therefore I am way out of my depth, but no, you could not sue a police officer for giving evidence in court. He is just recounting his side of the story.

Police swear an oath before they undertake their job and that gives presumably gives their evidence slightly more weight. Now before anyone carries on about police being able to get up in the box and start making stuff up, you really have to ask yourself... why? The money does not go into the individual's pocket, we don't get bonuses for more stats, and it generates significantly more work for us for a matter to go to court. I'm not saying a policeman has never lied in court, that's niave, but there is no benefit in risking going before the county court for perjury just so as Joe Bloggs gets a speeding fine.

Also, a speeding fine and rape must both meet the same level of proof in a criminal court, "beyond reasonable doubt". That level may vary according to who is hearing it. A sex offender is always going to be heard in front of a jury. It is harder to prove an offence in front of a jury than infront of a magistrate, to that partly answers your question about sex offenders walking. Police can not pull evidence out of thin air, it must be there, if there's not enough to prosecute, there's not, unfortunately its that simple. That does not mean that a sex offender does not get monitored and observed covertly by police in an effort to protect the public though.

Hope that answers, or at least partly, answers your question.

As for this thread, what I have noticed is people jump on here all pumped up and emotional and leave out vital facts. I have heard defendant's recount their side of the story at court and it is nothing like what actually occurred, I know its different, I was there at the time. Phrases like "I didn't do anything and then the cop just started yelling at me"...etc.

I'd be surprised if we were getting an unbiased account of the incident here.

[ZAP]

sbr,

I would think the magistrates take the word of a sworn officer over the individual's because they have nothing to loose, when you do. If you are fighting a speeding ticket in court, you will say anything you can to get off the ticket. The cop on the otherhand could not care less if you do or do not get off, he is made to appear in court (because of you contesting the fine) so to him/her its just part of their job.

Tuff, I just want to clarify something....

You were booked in Qld ?, yet you have a NSW license ?

If this is the case, I think that NSW and Qld are the only 2 states left that have not sorted out their points for infringements. It has been a couple of years since I last checked, but while you had to pay the fine, you did not loose any points if you were booked in Qld, yet held a NSW license. You may want to check with the RTA on that.

[tuffxr6]

sbr,

I would think the magistrates take the word of a sworn officer over the individual's because they have nothing to loose, when you do.  If you are fighting a speeding ticket in court, you will say anything you can to get off the ticket.  The cop on the otherhand could not care less if you do or do not get off, he is made to appear in court (because of you contesting the fine) so to him/her its just part of their job.

Tuff, I just want to clarify something....

You were booked in Qld ?, yet you have a NSW license ?

If this is the case, I think that NSW and Qld are the only 2 states left that have not sorted out their points for infringements.  It has been a couple of years since I last checked, but while you had to pay the fine, you did not loose any points if you were booked in Qld, yet held a NSW license.  You may want to check with the RTA on that.

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Yeah I was booked in queensland(surfers paradise) but I live just over the nsw border (tweed hds) im fairly sure that points carry across states.

[OwnaXR6T]

Just before Christmas I was done for going through a red light that wasn't red it was amber.

You silly boy

You should have Rammed on the brakes

Got slammed up the ass

and caused a 6 six car pile up

Whats the fine for that?

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Ha no fine its the fault of the people running up your @rss

[plonky]

Just before Christmas I was done for going through a red light that wasn't red it was amber.  The cop was facing the opposite way to my direction of travel and with turning arrows I don't see haow he could be sure about the light.

When he caught up with me I said the light wasn't red he said, " it wasn't green either."

I used the couldn't safely stop line - to no avail.

I was damned tempted to take it to court but the system is so stacked against you with the expert witness BS and all.

Also $237 was cheap to not have the local cops focusing on my easy to spot envi XR6T.

It sux its not fair but that's life.  Whatever happened to innocent before being proven guilty ?

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You must stop at the Amber light as well. It is the same penalty and points.

The amber light stays on for at least 3 seconds before changing to Red.