Jap Imports

[Maxx Power]

People who don't respect Japanese cars are narrow minded idiots.

Give me a Grange anyday.

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First point - it's not the cars I have no respect for. The cars are fine, it's the fact that I absolutely LOATHE to see our money going to the Japs!!! There are reasons for my stand on this which don't need to be canvassed here - just accept it as a fact.

Second point - a Grange? Really?? Poor bugger!! A friend, well acquaintance, of mine had one. A real Expensive Daewoo nut. Reckoned in the end it was the worst POS he'd ever owned. That was until he bought a new SS last month and it's been off the road for six days already. ECU problems - driving along and it just stops - call the truck, back to the workshop, thing goes OK, no-one can find the fault, he's losing handsfull of hair over it as he drives long distances from home regularly and just can't trust the damn thing. PLUS the dealer is 140km from where he lives!!!

But I digress .... back to the Japanese .... now, where'd I leave my gun? ...

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I have read of people having major problems with their BA's aswell. Even seen people having trouble with brand new 7 Series BMWs. No manufacturer can build a perfect car every time they come down the line. Problems happen.

It's not about WWII is it?

Edited 12/02/05 06:35 AM by Maxx Power

[Mr X]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you can dump the clutch in a Nissan GTR at 8000 rpm then the drive train must close to bullet proof.If jap performance cars are over engineered like jap 4wd's(and I really don't know if they are) would it be fair to say that they are pretty hard cars to break?

Subaru gearboxs come to mind as an exception,but in the main jap performance cars seem to me to be pretty durable.,Supra g/box conversions etc.

Anyway I'd be pretty happy with an R34 GTR Nissan.

[Lumpen]

It's not about WWII is it?

I would say, most probably, YES.

I know it is for alot of people, it sure as hell is for my Dad, and to a lesser extent myself.

Unfortunately I have to drive round a little Nip-Box, for the time being

WWII is ingrained on the psyche of almost all Australian's who have a general knowledge of it, and in particular what the Jap's did to us.

What they could not do with force, they achieved with Money

Peace

[turb06]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you can dump the clutch in a Nissan GTR at 8000 rpm then the drive train must close to bullet proof.If jap performance cars are over engineered like jap 4wd's(and I really don't know if they are) would it be fair to say that they are pretty hard cars to break?

Subaru gearboxs come to mind as an exception,but in the main jap performance cars seem to me to be pretty durable.,Supra g/box conversions etc.

Anyway I'd be pretty happy with an R34 GTR Nissan.

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You could probably dump the clutch on most cars at redline, its weather or not you can keep doing it, although nissan's in general are a very well built car. But the quality of the car in my mind is second to the "grey" area in its history that you dont always get, you could be buying something that looks and drives well but is a dog just waiting to be let off the leash.

Dazza.

[FPV 521]

I don;t like the 'grey import market'!

This market has a significant impact on the value of used cars in Australia.  In saying that, I appreciate that they offer a lot of perfomance for the money and that their is a whole subsidiary market for the 'bolt on' brigade.

My opposition is based purely on the damage it has done for the whole used car market and the "Performance Stickers and Bodykits" mentality of the transient trogs that buy them.

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I agree with half of what you say. It has damaged the used car market somewhat.

Where Expensive Daewoo and Ford should stop bringing out a new series every 12 months. That would definetely help with the used car market as well. As for the imports the government should control how many cars should come in a bit better. They should put a limit. So that the genuine enthusiast can enjoy his car. This doesnt mean only Jap cars, it also includes some American muscle cars. A lot of people bring in the junk that's useless where as an enthusiast would bring in something half decent to keep.

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I agree. Saved a lot of typing

[XRSEX]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you can dump the clutch in a Nissan GTR at 8000 rpm then the drive train must close to bullet proof.If jap performance cars are over engineered like jap 4wd's(and I really don't know if they are) would it be fair to say that they are pretty hard cars to break?

Subaru gearboxs come to mind as an exception,but in the main jap performance cars seem to me to be pretty durable.,Supra g/box conversions etc.

Anyway I'd be pretty happy with an R34 GTR Nissan.

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You will find that the GTR's are very strong in that respect. I have seen 800hp GTR's with standard gearboxs and twin plate clutches and have had no problems.

[Maxx Power]

It's not about WWII is it?

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I would say, most probably, YES.

I know it is for alot of people, it sure as hell is for my Dad, and to a lesser extent myself.

Unfortunately I have to drive round a little Nip-Box, for the time being

WWII is ingrained on the psyche of almost all Australian's who have a general knowledge of it, and in particular what the Jap's did to us.

What they could not do with force, they achieved with Money

Peace

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I know exactly what they did to us and have studied it. But then again look what the Germans did to our troops as well. I wouldn't boycott a Merc or BMW.. Times have changed nowdays anyway. That happened in the past.

[plonky]

It's not about WWII is it?

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I would say, most probably, YES.

I know it is for alot of people, it sure as hell is for my Dad, and to a lesser extent myself.

Unfortunately I have to drive round a little Nip-Box, for the time being

WWII is ingrained on the psyche of almost all Australian's who have a general knowledge of it, and in particular what the Jap's did to us.

What they could not do with force, they achieved with Money

Peace

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I know exactly what they did to us and have studied it. But then again look what the Germans did to our troops as well. I wouldn't boycott a Merc or BMW.. Times have changed nowdays anyway. That happened in the past.

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The Wermacht did not behead Australia soldiers, have forced labour camps such as Changi etc

The atrocities committed by Nazi Troops (as opposed to the Wermacht) were done in the name of Nazi ideology and the hate of Jews towards Jews. They were not directed against British, American and other Anglo Saxon races.

The atrocities committed by Japanese soldiers were done purely in the belief that any 'gaijin' was a inferior race and should be exterminated.

I've owned Jap cars, (even a WRX I bought new in '99) I find them soulless, lacking in character and charisma and are purely a product of their technological expertise.

I don't like them, have no regard for them and I would much rather have a car designed, built and sold in Australia for Australians than some grey import that has been let into the country into a used car market that is already weak.

[Turbo6man]

It's not about WWII is it?

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I would say, most probably, YES.

I know it is for alot of people, it sure as hell is for my Dad, and to a lesser extent myself.

Unfortunately I have to drive round a little Nip-Box, for the time being

WWII is ingrained on the psyche of almost all Australian's who have a general knowledge of it, and in particular what the Jap's did to us.

What they could not do with force, they achieved with Money

Peace

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I know exactly what they did to us and have studied it. But then again look what the Germans did to our troops as well. I wouldn't boycott a Merc or BMW.. Times have changed nowdays anyway. That happened in the past.

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There are two major differences in the comparisons you draw.

Firstly the Germans, being the army, were simply following orders. Some did not want to be involved at all but they would have been killed by their own Nazi brethren if they had questioned their orders. It is probably fair to say the majority of Germans did not want to be involved in Hitler's scheme of domination. Secondly, did you see Germany trying to achieve financial domination after the end of the war?

On the other hand the Japs as a nation, not just the army personnel, believe in their superiorty and they abhoar westerners. They are using stealth and money to win supremacy they could not achieve by force. The Japs have become very "western" in their behaviour and thinking in order to achieve their end. I personally, and some associates I know of, have had business dealings with them and the general concensus is that they can be very deceitful and underhanded in order to achieve a financial gain. They are also masters of collusion in business. I'd rather give my money to a Nazi ...

[Lumpen]

I know exactly what they did to us and have studied it. But then again look what the Germans did to our troops as well. I wouldn't boycott a Merc or BMW.. Times have changed nowdays anyway. That happened in the past.

Obviously you didn't research it that well!

Alot of old Australian's can remember SEEING the POW's returning from places like Sandakan, Burma, Changi etc as nothing more than skin and bones, with destroyed and tortured souls, and they were the ones who DID come back.

How about the story of Sister Vivienne Bullwinkle, a nurse in SE Asia. The soul survivor of a group of nurse's that were raped and later mowed down in the surf by Japanese troops.

Dad, for one, can also remember gathering shrapnel after the Japanese shelled Sydney with Mini-Subs. Hearing stories from people who lived in Darwin and Broome, who were there when the Nip's BOMBED them.

In Zero's.

And the manufacturer of the Zero? Mitsubishi

Now I am not denying that what happened to people in Europe was any better or what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was any less cruel BUT the biggest difference is what I have quoted above was seen and felt by Australian's and impacted on the long term Australian psyche.

Tell Me, are Plonky and I the only ones who can turn ANY thread into a political debate