All I can say is that they are awesome rims of a very high quality. Suiting both old and new cars. Truly a classic. I only wish I had know about this a few months ago so I could have purchased some FR17 for my XA hardtop....it sure wont look the same without them......I have hurd a rumoue that only the Australian manufacturing of these rims has closed and that they have mow gone off shore to manufacture their rims. I don't know how true this is, has anyone else heard the same?