speedoreido Member 4 Member For: 10y 11m 17d Posted 14/06/21 12:17 PM Share Posted 14/06/21 12:17 PM Hello Everyone I have a 2003 BA XR6T and recently I purchased a Haltech Elite Plug and Play ECU. I need to get it tuned but all of the main tuners in Perth want to lock the computer afterwards which I am not keen on. Does anyone know someone in Perth that would be willing to tune it without locking the ECU? I am not looking for crazy power as I understand that the Early BAs had the weakest bottom end of all of the XR6Turbos Below is a list of the modifications that the car has. Exhaust, Intercooler, Re located battery and 4 Inch CAI, Plazmamann Valve Springs, T56 6 speed Transmission, Walbro TIA485-2 Fuel Pump, TIAL waste gate . My ute was previously tuned with a CAPA piggy back ECU and made 330kw @15PSI using DEKA 60 Pound Injectors which have now been upgraded to 1000cc Injectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRYME Member 313 Member For: 3y 1m 4d Posted 14/06/21 02:48 PM Share Posted 14/06/21 02:48 PM (edited) Just tell them it's a tune on a BA with a standard engine not some magical combo that no one else knows about... tell the shop that you want to do the work that youl tune with them provided they don't lock the ecu and get it in writing! im betting that for that type of engine combo one of the good shops will agree... out of curiosity may I ask why you forked out for a haltech for the type of power/engine combo you will be utilising? not criticising just curious? Edited 14/06/21 02:51 PM by TRYME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biddie_fiddler [IMPULSIV3] Donating Members 1,367 Member For: 5y Gender: Male Location: Perth, WA Posted 15/06/21 08:37 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 08:37 AM From what I understand, locking the tune is to cover the tuners arse in the event that someone else changes the tune which causes a failure. The risk is that you can then go to the tuner and blame them. Also, tuning is an art, or like a fishing spot for a fisherman. "trade secrets" if you will. It takes tuners a long time, lots of time and effort, to tune engines. Another risk is that you can take that tune and give it to other people, negating the need to go to the tuner. I understand both perspectives, having been on both sides (not car related). Also, you've likely heard this before, why not go to MT and deal with Rob? or Dark Horse and deal with Simon? Both extremely good at what they do and will give you all the support you need for current and future tuning that you need. Why do you want an unlocked tune? have you considered tuning yourself? get onto haltech tuning forums if they exist and get some advice from experienced users. I'm sure there's plenty people out there willing to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRYME Member 313 Member For: 3y 1m 4d Posted 15/06/21 09:18 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 09:18 AM Tbh F*ck the tuners.... only in this stupid industry does someone say yea you pay for something but you can't have full use of it..... I'm not a tuner but this platforms been around for going on 2 decades theres nothing that secret about a basic tune they try to justify charging 1000 bucks for flashing in a tune they've already got created to suit your cars mods and make a few Minor tweaks from car to Car for basic tunes it Ain't nothing special... when I was a hvac engineer towards the end of my Career working with one of the leading global hvac companies I was involved in the engineering design and configuration of some serious stuff with values in the hundreds of millions... and let me tell you most of the time there was nothing that revolutionary going on but everyone would act like we were recreating the world up in those meeting rooms... bunch of crap oh and even if the tuner did stuff your car with there tune most won't help you and blame it on something else... sorry for the good ones out there bcoz there is good guys but it's a shark of an industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k31th less WHY; more WOT Site Developer 28,239 Member For: 15y 11m 19d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 15/06/21 09:19 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 09:19 AM The tuner will have a copy of every tune they put out and can easily back their own evidence in the event that you try to blame them for something after changing it... but the intellectual property you are right about, biddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRYME Member 313 Member For: 3y 1m 4d Posted 15/06/21 09:24 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 09:24 AM So Keith how different do you reckon one basic tune, say injectors and high flow cat is from one tune shop to another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k31th less WHY; more WOT Site Developer 28,239 Member For: 15y 11m 19d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 15/06/21 09:31 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 09:31 AM I know they're not vastly different, but an analogy fits... we humans are 99.5+ % matching DNA with chimpanzees; it's that small percentage difference that matters the most. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRYME Member 313 Member For: 3y 1m 4d Posted 15/06/21 09:53 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 09:53 AM That's not a bad analogy actually touché my friend.... I wonder how Ford would of felt that tuners can have access to there base maps Ford would of spent many $$$ in the development in there base maps thus the shops being hypocritical they don't write there tunes completlely from scratch they improve upon fords initial investment, do they pay monies into Ford for using there intelectual property or do they say oh it's the customers car hence they own the tune..... hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k31th less WHY; more WOT Site Developer 28,239 Member For: 15y 11m 19d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 15/06/21 09:55 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 09:55 AM well, I wouldn't imagine Ford were happy about the initial breaking of their code... But it's a bit hard to sue everybody who does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRYME Member 313 Member For: 3y 1m 4d Posted 15/06/21 10:02 AM Share Posted 15/06/21 10:02 AM 100%, products Ive had a massive input into designing for my former employer even though many had patents as soon as they were put onto the market the competition buys it and reverse engineers it finding a way to improve it further or worm around the patent... it happens everywhere my point just was they scream intelectual property when the base maps they work from isn't there property to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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