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Already tuned on stock dump, do I need a new tune for new dump?


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It can either be the preload being tight, it can be the wgdc being set too high for too long in the rev range, it can be the underboost set too close to the target or a combination of them all. Given that you can only loosen the preload atm, I would back it off a touch and see if you can get it to not have the spike.

 

Having a bigger dump/exhaust will exacerbate the spike and will also cause it to make more boost per duty, especially after about 4500 - 5000rpm. End of the day you can only try, it might work and it might not. Given the size of the spike I would tend to think preload adjustment will work, rather than not.

 

I wonder if putting it back to stock will lose all the credits used for the boost by gear etc? It might just need to be flashed back to stock and then the credits will be there for further use. I think this is the case as the tunes are vin locked. I've got the whole suite of credits and can remake various custom tunes for boost by gear/speed/temp etc and reflash them at will.

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Hey, not sure on the credits. I haven't looked into it but a quick support email to PCMtec will answer that for me if the need arose...

 

Can get the air compressor out and make some notes whilst adjusting half a turn at a time. Will be a good learning exercise for me. 

 

I'll also get some better logs of the MAP and a few other bits and will update the thread. 

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Took me a while. Have got an accessible tune now which is awesome. Ended up keeping the stock dump and went with a 3.5" cat pipe and gutted cat to bolt up to the already existing 3.5" cat back system that came with the car when I bought it. To get a roadie I had to put a cat on and that caused a 2psi boost spike around the point where the wastegate opened. Now with the new system she's boosting mint (I think, still learning).

 

Still learning this turbo stuff. My other is a Expensive Daewoo with a PD blower and that is much easier to tune. The Fords are a different beast to get used to.

 

Without pulling the turbo off to test the pre-load with a mityvac I am presuming that the point in the attached graph where the initial boost rise rolls over is the rough cracking pressure of the gate? I did a pull with the WGDC set at 0% and the boost curve is very similar albeit a couple of psi down up top. The wastegate preload would have been set by Maxx Performance when the turbo was replaced with the F6 unit that is on the car now.

 

And lastly, the knock system is pulling up to 0.8deg on standard knock sensor settings. Is that normal or should I pull some timing / boost out to see if it goes away? AFR is spot on commanded (0.8 to 0.82 lambda on 98)

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Fark, this forum is good. I read this thread today

Anyway, whilst doing an air check on the wastegate it was leaking big time. Thought the boost seemed a little high lol. The actuator is a Turbosmart IWG-75. All the o-rings in the banjo fitting had gone hard and weren't sealing. Trip to Pirtek and 63 cents for 3 off appropriately sized o-rings and she's all fixed. Boost pressure is back to 14psi, way lower than the 22psi it was running with the banjo fitting leak. Man, so so lucky the engine didn't go pop! Thanks to this forum!

 

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Good stuff

 

Curious. That banjo. Is it supposed to spin freely? Like really easily. I'm yet to check air leaks on it but just noticed since new it seems really easy to spin compared to one my mate had for his.

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Yeah was really loose aye. 10mm bolt to remove under the fuse box to get the boost solenoid bracket out. Then pull the bottom hose off the solenoid and blow into with your mouth as a quick easy test. Mine pissed out with air just by using my breath. 

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