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Clearly your hosting was really cheap/free and/or your site didn't have enough traffic to go over the cheap/free hosting requirements.

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2 hours ago, CJF077 said:

The site hosting costs it is on a dedicated server costs over $300 a month without any upgrades, modifications, add ons.

surely there are cheaper options?

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Based on stated current costs of $300 plus per month on a dedicated server x 12 = $3600 plus update costs etc. 

 

That being the case if we can get 150 people at $24 each =$3600

Any thing over the 150 will help keep updates etc costs covered. 

 

At $24 a year =$2 a month, 50 cents a week. 

Considering the information on this site it beats an annual  magazine subscription easily. 

 

Can we post a survey on the site to see who would be willing to pay the annual "fee" of $24. 

 

Just a thought

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5 minutes ago, bloodycrashboy said:

so why is everyone still talking of donations

we should be talking hosting options

want to achieve a few things:

1. Have an open and honest discussion with the interested parties on how to save money in the every day operation of this forum (which may or may not include the hosting situation). 

2. The details of #1 will be used to analyse the requirements for an on-going optional donation pledge system whereby the main contingent of the forum members can choose to partially support the page at whatever level they feel is comfortable.

3. Any changes the current members may wish to discuss here with regard to the support process in #2 and associated issues/concerns.

 

Everything else is a bit of a free-for-all, but it seems a lot of things are being discussed here :)

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50 minutes ago, bloodycrashboy said:

so why is everyone still talking of donations

we should be talking hosting options

This.

GMH-Torana was running years before this site and is still running today for a 1/4 of the cost.

 

:sofa:

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One of their sponsors is "Direct Support" who do hosting, so it's possible the hosting is free or close to it because of that sponsor arrangement. :idunno:

 

You're a higher-up on that forum, aren't ya? If so, find out the details and send 'em over to Chris to consider as an option. :stickpoke:

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Just an observation regarding advertising

 

On the home page here there are 3 advertisements all reasonably dull in appearance and I have absolutely no interest in even looking at them

all 3 are not anything to do with this site, ie not car specific 

one add I can even turn off (one of the 2 Google adds)

in 5 years of using this site I have never clicked on an advert 

 

another site I use has 7 adds on the home page, colorful and intriguing (they do not detract from the aesthetics of the site)

all 7 adds are site specific and I'm tempted to take a look, and have on occasion  

they are also all at the top 1/4 of the page

 

here we have 2 at the top of the home page and 1 way down the bottom where I doubt many of us go

 

Edit: this other site has 75,000 members, 1,000,000 posts and 76,000 threads

so very similar stats to us

but I would hazard a guess that the revenue for their adverts is a lot higher than us

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7 hours ago, CJF077 said:

Had to chip in here. The site hosting costs it is on a dedicated server costs over $300 a month without any upgrades, modifications, add ons.

I can assure you this is no cash grab. If it cost $500 a year we would not be having this conversation as advertising would cover the costs more than enough. But we are not.

Why do you think a site like this needs to run off a dedicated server?

Maybe 15+ years ago this was the key, but these days technology and price have closed significantly. 

 

These days you can get SSD powered VPS’ for a 1/4 of that price and still adequately serve with great performance. 

 

I’ve got examples running right now that have far greater utilisation than a forum site would have. 

 

How about be factual and provide details about the MySQL database size, storage utilisation, monthly bandwidth utilisation. Being a physical server what cpu and ram configuration does it have? And how many other sites does hostwise solutions also run on the same server?  

 

I see that web01 has moved from servers Australia to liquid web around August 2017. 

 

Servers Australia have dedicated servers, 2 socket, 8gb of ram with twin ssd storage at $107/ month. Quite arguably more than enough for this site. Liquid web on the other hand, starting at $199usd/ month for quite a beefy system upgrade.

Quite arguably a question why this site was moved from servers Australia to liquid web a year ago unless there is other drivers for this, 

So begs the question.. what else is this server hosting? There is 26 other reverse resolving sites to the same dedicated server. 

 

My original statement still holds, this site shouldn’t cost over $500/year in conventional hosting, but since you are managing director of adviceit / t360 you should know this.

Clearly this server is used for that business, not solely for fordxr6turbo.com is it?! given there is only web01.adviceit.com.au and no web02 etc. 

 

Sorry champ. Cash grab is all I see.

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Many thoughtful suggestions above.

 

My suggestion might be too dramatic at this stage, but I could see reason one day to create an archive of the site, provide it to libraries so that the resource is always available on the basis that making and playing with our own cars is part of Australian culture and the stories around that will require preservation to play to audiences in 50 and 100 years time.

 

The resource is valuable, but to hold it on line as free to anyone is to actually trash that value. Access will need to be paywalled in some form or other.

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11 hours ago, Headsex said:

Why do you think a site like this needs to run off a dedicated server?

Maybe 15+ years ago this was the key, but these days technology and price have closed significantly.

To be honest with you it probably doesnt anymore. Due to previous server load, it was always recommended that we had a dedicated server with substantial memory and disk. We went through phases where we were suspended from a shared hosting plan, we tried things like nginx, and other apache modifications but it didnt work. It may have been bad code design, but the grunt to cater for the database queries required for all the different addons, modifications eg garage required a dedicated server. We initially started with the planet in the US and were paying close to $1000 a month for hosting, then moved to several dedicated servers with Servers Australia over the years, and last year moved the box to the US to liquidweb due to the cost reductions gained. We were paying close to $500 a month for a server with SAU, that was aging, and had zero support. We now have a dedicated box with 24/7 support at $221 USD per month (around $300 AUD).

 

I agree with you on the technology changing, and should look at some options around cheaper alternatives.

 

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These days you can get SSD powered VPS’ for a 1/4 of that price and still adequately serve with great performance.

 

I’ve got examples running right now that have far greater utilisation than a forum site would have.

Happy for you to give me some recommendations on next steps for this.

 

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How about be factual and provide details about the MySQL database size, storage utilisation, monthly bandwidth utilisation. Being a physical server what cpu and ram configuration does it have? And how many other sites does hostwise solutions also run on the same server?

Server is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz with 32GB of Memory and 2 x 1TB Drives in Raid Configuration (SSD + SATA) + a remote backup solution. We had an issue about a year ago where the server died, and we lost several months worth of data. So this was a must have.

 

This site uses 22GB of Disk, 30% CPU Usage, has a 3.13GB MYSQL DB and averages around 80GB Of traffic a month. It is also using around 2% of available RAM (as of now)

 

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I see that web01 has moved from servers Australia to liquid web around August 2017.

Agreed. Was moved from SAU due to cost to a server that had double the power, for half the cost.

 

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Servers Australia have dedicated servers, 2 socket, 8gb of ram with twin ssd storage at $107/ month. Quite arguably more than enough for this site. Liquid web on the other hand, starting at $199usd/ month for quite a beefy system upgrade.

Quite arguably a question why this site was moved from servers Australia to liquid web a year ago unless there is other drivers for this, 

So begs the question.. what else is this server hosting? There is 26 other reverse resolving sites to the same dedicated server.

In order of transparency the server is also hosting several static websites for myself and friends. It is NOT hosting any business applications. nor services that are resold to other clients. It is also NOT used by my business (other than hosting our static page (landing page).

 

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My original statement still holds, this site shouldn’t cost over $500/year in conventional hosting, but since you are managing director of adviceit / t360 you should know this.

I am not sure how my role has anything to do with the hosting requirements of the site. I am not a server or hosting engineer, and have based the server that it currently sits on from advice of the likes of SAU, and Liquidweb in working out the specs of the site. I have also looked into relevance, eg aging server (with SAU) to something modern with Liquidweb.

 

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Clearly this server is used for that business, not solely for fordxr6turbo.com is it?! given there is only web01.adviceit.com.au and no web02 etc.

As discussed it isnt, and has never been used. If this was the case, the site / server would be self sufficient.

 

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Sorry champ. Cash grab is all I see.

Bold statement, yet incorrect.  It seems to be that we are focused only on the costs of the server hosting. And i am sure by your comments that the upkeep of the site needs to come from somewhere.

 

Domain Renewals

License Renewals - IPB is $100 USD per 6 months + all the other addons eg garage, donations, forum logos, timeslips, messages the list goes on and on. These need to be renewed on a 6 monthly basis.

Developer Costs - I am not a developer, and whilst Keith has alot of involvement in the upkeep of the site from a day to day point of view the last upgrade cost in excess of $1000 as the theme is custom developed, and needs to be recoded everytime there is an upgrade. 

 

Not only that we do not even have the funds to get merchandise made. I know its not important, but we used to have a budget allocated for stickers, tshirts, mugs and even had a dedicated merchanding person. We may be beyond that at the current state, but these are things that we would love to bring back (at least stickers)..

 

I agree with you that we can look at reducing the server / hosting costs 100%, but the sustainability from the current site is just not there, at the current moment, unless we look at either implementing new features (which again costs money) or do things differently.

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My IT knowledge amounts to squat but seems to me there are 2 items to address;

1. Review tech side and make changes where cost-effective to do so

2. On completing 1, review $$ shortfall if any and make a decision on some form of paid access

 

 

Finished yet? :panda:

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I know that throwing money at the site is not the solution, but I used to donate once every year.

It has been a while since I have donated, but I have just donated today.

I think that looking at an alternative hosting site at a reduced cost would be a great idea.

 

I also think that a few of us, like Aaronm have donated in the past without hesitation as we know the value of the site.

It has always been hard to get donations from members as we are a forgetful bunch. I know I am.

At the same time, the donations page seems to have a minimal donation value and I did not see any options to change it.

That doesn't phase me, I have donated today.

 

That being said, I think the landing page for when the donations have been made, needs to be fixed to show any recent donations.

That page has not worked for a while. It should at least acknowledge that a donation has been made, it does not have to say how much though.

I hope this site stays around for another 10 years as that is how long I plan on keeping my falcon(unless it is involved in an accident).

 

As I was typing this message, it seems that the landing page is now working.

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@CJF077 First suggestion is to ditch that dedicated server. Don't need something that powerful.

 

Here is one suggestion https://www.binarylane.com.au/vps-hosting/linux-vps (no affiliation, but I've used mammoth vps's and they also run/host ausgamers community.. Binary Lane are a spin off sister company).

 

They have a $60AU/month VPS, 4core, 8gb of ram, 120gb SSD, and 2500GB monthly transfer. (there is a cpanel one for $20 more if you prefer using cpanel, but I dont recommend running a management layer as doing performance optimisations may not be supported, ie mysql tuning)

 

 

MySQL performance tuning can be optimised to use more memory, because it currently sounds like its not using much at all (it should retain the memory even if the site is quiet)

 

Certainly there is a number of providers in this space in australia, but that's just one example.

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22 hours ago, Dagabond said:

This.

GMH-Torana was running years before this site and is still running today for a 1/4 of the cost.

 

:sofa:

 

there he is.

 

I thought you died...

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Hi

 

For starters, good on you for running the site !

I think you put in alot of time, you can't put in lots of $ as well.

 

A few thoughts: 

 - a subscription will be a bit of a turnoff

 - can you sell more stuff thru the shop and take a fair commission - think Fathers Day, Xmas etc

 - an amount $5 - 40 for classifieds to sell stuff from parts all the way up to cars

 - would Ford donate any stuff for sale ?

 

The XR6T is no longer made (sniff...), and it will be a cult car. Your site will be more and more important !

 

Regards

Peter

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12 hours ago, Panda Eyes said:

there he is.

 

I thought you died...

:electricshock:

My omnipresence has gone beyond the forum...I am now a free entity out on the internuts!! :dagabond:

 

Speaking to Tiny the hosting for GMH had to move from a free server as it was continually crashing the current dedicated host is $230.00 a month then renewal fees for the IP Board software.

There is some kickback from Google ad's but not enough to cover the cost.

We had Rare Spares on as an advertiser with revenue from sales but that has dried up (never thought it would work).

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45 minutes ago, Dagabond said:

Speaking to Tiny the hosting for GMH had to move from a free server as it was continually crashing the current dedicated host is $230.00 a month then renewal fees for the IP Board software.

So similar deal to us?

 

Wonder if some sort of friendly partnership between the 2 forums could in some way be beneficial to both forums?

 

Share a server, split hosting costs, approach advertisers as a united team (offering more than either forum on it's own can do) with payback from both forums going to cover those costs?

Patreon tiers etc could have reciprocating rights across the boards, shared classifieds/forum stores, joint cruises, community and social events etc. Annual cricket match :P

 

Both cars are no longer "current" anymore ;).

 

Maybe it could also be an option to offer other "struggling" car forums into a mutually beneficial arrangement down the track?

Someone mentioned the Silva forum earlier?

 

I'd be prepared to cover the setup costs of any business structure (excluding legal/contract they may wish to put in place) costs required to sit on top of the agreement (eg. Aussie Car Forums Pty Ltd or Inc as a non-profit, with Tiny and @CJF077 as initial directors etc if they wanted to do something like that)?

 

@Dagabond - maybe get your people to talk to our people?

 

 

 

edit: not suggesting the forums merge, both would remain totally independent of each other, just combine the buying and selling power of both to cut costs and increase revenue on both sides.

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Hi Ford XR6 Turbo .com,

 

I have an FPV F6 FG with over 500rwkw. I have followed the XR6 Turbo since it came out in 2003. Back then it was reading magazines and the car really changed the performance industry in Australia.

The Ford XR6 Turbo website is an fantastic website and forum for car enthusiasts, or anyone who has an Ford turbo especially. The information and the discussion threads are invaluable.

It would be a shame to see the end of the website as it is a great information hub, and a lot of the users give you real world feedback. I understand with the Australian manufacture of cars gone now moving forward could be harder. There will always car lovers of the XR6Turbo

Regards,
Jerry

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