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59 minutes ago, jellis said:

I'm putting down a firm offer for $10,000 to buy it, subject to reviewing the analytics and confirming their accuracy.

The site is worth far more than that, but you can PM/email the OP your offers of purchasing, if you feel like throwing your cash around :idunno:

 

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You mean the part where I said something along the lines of encouraging people to be more compassionate and develop a stronger community

No, that part I agree with (more on that at the bottom).

 

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instead of alienating people by bludgeoning them with stupidity? You're right, what a sh*tty attitude.

Well, I think you've got the wrong idea about us, completely. These claims are completely baseless ->

1 hour ago, jellis said:

...the quality of the discussions I was involved in, or even perused, ended up becoming very basic very quickly...

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...the general IQ and ability to converse seems to be just marginally above 5 year olds flinging poo at each other...

 

 

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...they're all very much from the Subaru/Nissan world where people aren't as simple. So you either change the governing tactics and encourage a supportive and rational discourse amongst your members (ie instil some sort of compassionate culture), or close up shop.

I agree that some governing tactics, as minimalistic as they currently are, if it all, could change, but that's not for discussion here, as yet. The idea of a compassionate culture is what we try to give out, with a bit of banter in between to keep things entertaining :)

 

 

Your input has been taken aboard, thanks.

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1 hour ago, jellis said:

You mean the part where I said something along the lines of encouraging people to be more compassionate and develop a stronger community, instead of alienating people by bludgeoning them with stupidity? You're right, what a sh*tty attitude.

 

To be fair, I can appreciate that it may appear like this to someone who may have joined recently. BUT, there's many of us who have been around on this site for a long time and have seen a lot of the same stuff come and go. If someone comes on and says hello and asks some questions and genuinely seems to take an interest in being a part of the community then they get met with compassion and acceptance. It's the people who turn up with a chip on their shoulder and an elitist attitude that generally lands them in the "poo flinging" arena. The long time forum members I know are actually super compassionate and we've all shared and supported each other through a lot of both Ford and personal things over the years.

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Ha. Look at all the members crawling out of the woodwork.

 

The golden years for me were 2007 - 2011. Really changed after the last major upgrade..

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3 hours ago, Headsex said:

I don't want to sound negative here, but being in the hosting business I've got a fair idea on what sort of costs are associated to run a high volume site.

Moreso that over the last 15 years, that price has significantly dropped due to massive competition.

 

If you take into account the renewal cost of the Invision forum software with all features, 6 monthly renewals of "all invision" features is less than $20AU a month.

Given that the volume of traffic to this site has considerably dropped over the years, you could potentially run this site on a shared web host (like crazydomains) that provides php and mysql with unlimited disk space for less than the license renewal monthly costs.

 

Even if you needed more grunt with a VPS server to run it all would be well and truly under $150/M, which is the asking monthly price of a single Advertiser, it feels to me a little like a cash grab.

 

Even the Invision cloud based plans are quite cheap, and can be scaled to suit the active users. As a bonus, they do all patching/upgrades for you.

 

Sure there is other costs like domain name, ssl certificate (https/ssl is broken by the way), but none the less, costs associated can be compared to a couple of coffees

 

If this forum's running cost are over $500 a year, you're certainly doing something wrong.

^^this^^

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2 minutes ago, arronm said:

The golden years were 2007 - 2011. Really changed after the last major upgrade..

up to 2013, I reckon.

 

We can get back there. But we are looking back with rose-coloured glasses. More member participation, but it wasn't necessarily "better".

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I ended up selling my XR6 Turbo
As after spending $4500 on the problem with the constant knocking noise from the front left hand wheel the problem was still there so I traded it in & bought a Holden. I still own my 2003 BA XR8 which is in pristine condition & only gets driven once every 2yrs
I never got anything from the site at all & found it a waste of my time.
Regards
Julie

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3 hours ago, Headsex said:

If this forum's running cost are over $500 a year, you're certainly doing something wrong.

 

 

3 hours ago, k31th said:

The hosting situation can be made cheaper. This is why I definitely believe we can make this a crowd-supported website 

 

I don't want to appear rude or unappreciative of this sites owner, but 

If this was my site and I could not afford $500 per year then it would be time to hand it to someone who could 

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that's because the current arrangement is likely a lot more than Danny quoted, even if it's possible to set it up so that it is as Danny quoted, with a bit of stuffing around...

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so stuff around then

 

this is all about money, right

 

so the first place to start is drop the overheads

 

not throw cash at the problem

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up to 2013, I reckon.
 
We can get back there. But we are looking back with rose-coloured glasses. More member participation, but it wasn't necessarily "better".


You’re right, the cars were new, the biggest and the best drove the forum.

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I joined this forum many years ago and enjoyed many discussions as a forum member and then as a forum advertiser, I made the decision to cease my support as an advertiser because I simply never had any spare time to monitor my page and contribute.

This forum enjoyed huge growth in the early years with many friendships and business relationships forged, sure there were some stooges as in most forums but these people soon went by the wayside.

Even now this is the first time that I have been on here in ages, I hope the forum stays and people can continue to discuss all facets of these remarkable vehicles.

All the Best,  Mal Wood

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The XR6 Turbo is dead. Members with social connections will always be here but new members will be hard to come by and more likely than not they will be at the lower end of the income scale. As the cars come down in price it won't make sense to spend big money to upgrade them and the budget builds and tunes (probably) will begin. There is a huge amount of information here about these cars, best on the net. However, if it comes down to money, virtually no one will care or know if the site is lost forever. In the end as said by a few, someone will need to put their hand up. Just 2c

 

There are some great members here, really nice folk.

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Lots of numbers quoted as to what the minimum cost could/should be to run a site like this and some pretty bold statements of it being a cash grab!  I have no doubt that Chris has had an awful lot of enjoyment out of his cars and what this site has brought to that.  However, if you look at all the hours that Chris has put in to this site v. the revenue stream, in anyone's eyes, it would have to be a pretty sh*tty business model.  People tend not to do this to make money, they do it because it furthers the endeavours in motorsport, car development and a community of car freaks with the XR6T flavour.

 

I would fully support the user pays monthly or 6 monthly fee to keep this afloat and to bring it back to a model that is financially sustainable.  

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Hi guys ,
I can say that this forum/site is very beneficial when I experience problems and it would be a shame if it was closed down, admittedly I’m not on this forum often but it is a good resource and whenever I have asked a question members have been great in providing help and suggestions.
Thanks team.
Jake

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13 hours ago, adams355 said:

The XR6 Turbo is dead. Members with social connections will always be here but new members will be hard to come by and more likely than not they will be at the lower end of the income scale. As the cars come down in price it won't make sense to spend big money to upgrade them and the budget builds and tunes (probably) will begin. There is a huge amount of information here about these cars, best on the net. However, if it comes down to money, virtually no one will care or know if the site is lost forever. In the end as said by a few, someone will need to put their hand up. Just 2c

 

There are some great members here, really nice folk.

 

??? The XR6 Turbo falcon is certainly not dead, I hate to say it but have a quick look on FB with all the development and workshops pushing the barra & falcon further and further. 

IMHO, Introducing a joining fee would most certainly immediately cease growth with new members, and it would just be the regulars still on here. The fact is the younger generation simply do not use forums, Instead they post in groups like Club FG LOL, I'm 22 and would probably be one the youngest active members on here, I have been using forums since 2008 (RC Cars / Speedway etc) Young people don't like to search the internet instead they will just post it on a Facebook group looking for an immediate answer rather than looking on a forum like this where the same topic has already been covered 10x over.

 

#keepitfree

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I'm happy to pay a nominal fee as I value the technical information and shared experiences this site is so rich in. As a resource it is amazing, and one that I've used and referred people to many times. Social media has its place but there's no way I'd use Facebook or any other social platform for the kind of info searches and research I want to do. Perhaps there's a role for some social media pages too, as a home for some of the chit chat stuff?? 

 

Should we try to get / keep the costs down, absolutely. Should we strive to remain compassionate / helpful / respectful in the discussions.....of course. But the world isn't perfect and everyone slips up every now and then. Our moderators have done a pretty good job in managing this over the years.

 

The Barra is going stronger than ever as far as development and modding goes, and will be around for many more years to come. If this site was to go, it would be a significant loss to many in my view.

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47 minutes ago, tazzanz said:

IMHO, Introducing a joining fee would most certainly immediately cease growth with new members

 

My thoughts too - would prefer a voluntary method of supporting the site that's more consistent than the occasional donating option that's up at the moment.

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How about we just chuck in $10 or $20 on our birthdays? An automated "Happy Birthday mate, it's your shout!" message can be sent to members as a reminder.

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1 hour ago, tazzanz said:

??? The XR6 Turbo falcon is certainly not dead, I hate to say it but have a quick look on FB with all the development and workshops pushing the barra & falcon further and further.

Its dead to the general buying public, its only enthusiasts and after market developments which will keep it alive, same story as the Holden V8 (aussie). Even these numbers will dwindle in time. The tuners will still tune but are already moving on to the mustang etc.

 

#keepitfree

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37 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

How about we just chuck in $10 or $20 on our birthdays? An automated "Happy Birthday mate, it's your shout!" message can be sent to members as a reminder.

 

I offered a LARGE donation every birthday to become a PLATINUM member. Never happened SO.... What happened CHRIS.....

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