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Hey I think we should keep it free so anyone can access it. I'd never have joined if I had to pay I reckon.  But I also know it costs money to run.  I for one wouldn't mind donating once a year in a philanthropic fashion now that I know how valuable this site has been to my well-being (mates, good times, car passions) as I suspect some would on here (but not as an enforced membership so if I was having any hardship in donating I wouldn't have to.) I would also like to see the site running costs looked into by Chris and select few others who know this stuff well to see if there was a better way of hosting the site without need for advertisers and so we can just run off the philanthropic donations.  Alot of good enthusiasts sites out there today are there due to the philanthropy of their owners and Chris is definitely one of those people in my mind.  I want to help him out continue the good work because I am lucky enough to be able to afford to.  But I do want to keep the site free to encourage people to benefit from it. Thanks :beerchug:

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3 minutes ago, EvilDaifu said:

Hey I think we should keep it free so anyone can access it. I'd never have joined if I had to pay I reckon.  

 

^^I am with Doctor Evil ^^

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29 minutes ago, k31th said:

I'm not the owner, the OP is, so why would I be the one considering to buy it when I'm happy with the current ownership arrengment?

 

I do also need to just address this one, briefly. I'm sure you're happy defending your right to be a BDFL (parading it around as altruism) around these parts when it's on somebody else's dime.

 

As much as I enjoy your thoughtful prose, I'm not even sure why I felt the need to justify my position. $10,000 offer stands; and all members (old and new) will see benefit within 12 months (assuming they've still got their turbskies).

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If we remove the need for advertisers as has been suggested, apart from banning people, what would prevent people advertising their tyres, car parts and dyno services etc, either directly or indirectly?

 

While keeping it free is great for everyone and in some cases necessary for some users, surely users who benefit financially from posting their "wares" should contribute more, given a lack of advertising revenue?

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6 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

While keeping it free is great for everyone and in some cases necessary for some users, surely users who benefit financially from posting their "wares" should contribute more, given a lack of advertising revenue?

Agree.

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Gee , for me its pretty simple, if you enjoy the forum, just contribute a few bucks. Who cant afford $20 once in a while....

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45 minutes ago, jellis said:

No offer was rejected, as it was never reasonably considered nor discussed. ... It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it (not the other way around). You've heard of a free market economy?

You are technically correct. I'm reasonably confident that the site is both not for sale and that he would not sell it to you unless something ridiculous was offered. But of course, I can't know for sure.

 

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Backing up my claims of "I've done well" with "here are some examples"? Who would care? And big-noting oneself by parading previous achievements in completely unrelated fields isn't going to endear me to anybody. I'm not here to win votes.

Well, if you're going to claim you can do it, then you'd have to win the community's heart and mind specifically in the case you that you would do it. It's up to you, the person who has claimed a large positive influence, to prove such influence. I don't care, either way.

 

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Engagement is just a matter of making the place well known... which you immediately follow up with "it already is". So let's check that box.

 

... making it worthwhile coming to... also check that box as "it already is" per your comment.

 

... make the worthwhile reasons sustainable and easy [sic] accessible. It's on the internet (on HA and scalable infrastructure); you put in an email address and a password of your choosing and you can see pretty much everything. So let's check that box as well.

 

As far as your recipe for success goes; it would appear everything is already in place. And don't conflate your own opinions with the collective "we". Given your recipe has been executed to nearly 100% - where are the balloons and confetti for celebrating a job-well-done?

Well, amongst the people who have these cars already and google searching results, this site is already well known, so yes, that's true that we don't need to do a lot of work in that area, only sustain what we currently do.

I said it "for the most part" for the worthwhile coming to, so that point can definitely take some work.

It is reasonably easily accessible, but most people don't save their bookmarks across devices from so many years ago and then it's a matter of typing the URL and I know only those who already like the site, will type it's URL (or other weird side cases). This is the part that I see that needs work, but I don't know of many good options in this area, but they can be attacked in a separate thread. I'm not using my opinions here, just statistics, analytics and data in the back-end.

 

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You might back the forum up regularly, I don't think I've misunderstood that part nor alluded to any other behaviour. Rexnet was backed up regularly as well. You see where I'm going with that?

Yep, I understand where you're going with that. It's just a matter of restoring said backups, in our case, with the new "environment" setup, if it ever went away and needed to be restored into a new setup. Don't see any problems there, other than the backup provider losing all of their hardware in a freak physical accident :idunno:

 

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My attitude towards the current interested members and the community is that they need a champion to push their cause forward in a perilous market, and not somebody to rest on their laurels. Establishing pre-negotiated discounts and benefits not afforded to newcomers or those uninvolved. Advancement of understanding and experience amongst like-minded and free-spirited enthusiasts. Leveraging the market penetration sought by new vendors in the marketplace... basic branding, market positioning... etc etc.

 

People need someone who is going to advocate for their cause and passion. Bringing fresh minds into the fold boosts the status of those in before them, and on and on the pattern develops.

Glad that you've actually given some actual positive attitude now, rather than the scathing points brought up earlier. This stuff you've said here is valuable thought patterns, I think. Cheers.

 

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Setting up some new subforums or putting a paywall on something that people have always gotten for free... it's just putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound.

I agree. I think the site should be simplified so that the landing page is not so cluttered and hard to navigate.

 

32 minutes ago, jellis said:

I do also need to just address this one, briefly. I'm sure you're happy defending your right to be a BDFL (parading it around as altruism) around these parts when it's on somebody else's dime.

Benevolent Dictator For Life? lol ok. Well, you can mis-read me all you like :) I just want the best for this forum and I'm happy to do some work in my own time to manage that and happy to throw around my own experience, skills and internet knowledge to help :spoton:

 

 

30 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

If we remove the need for advertisers as has been suggested, apart from banning people, what would prevent people advertising their tyres, car parts and dyno services etc, either directly or indirectly?

 

While keeping it free is great for everyone and in some cases necessary for some users, surely users who benefit financially from posting their "wares" should contribute more, given a lack of advertising revenue?

We already restrict selling of items, lest this site become a "buy, swap & sell" only site haha

Personally, my opinion, is that if we have no site sponsors/advertisers, then anybody who is looking to make a profit via this site will be prevented from doing so, which is just standard moderation/administration practices that we currently do for any people who try to do this sort of thing who are not currently a paying advertiser.

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I don't want to appear rude or unappreciative of this sites owner, but 
If this was my site and I could not afford $500 per year then it would be time to hand it to someone who could
Had to chip in here. The site hosting costs it is on a dedicated server costs over $300 a month without any upgrades, modifications, add ons.

I can assure you this is no cash grab. If it cost $500 a year we would not be having this conversation as advertising would cover the costs more than enough. But we are not.

I think we need to be factual here and not detract from the purpose. I have had offers in the past (in excess of hundreds of thousands of dollars for the site) in which I refused due to the fact that I wanted to keep the community intact. But when it’s coming out of my pocket monthly to keep it afloat, whilst as others have other expenses I need to entertain the option of keeping it running and whether it is indeed worth it.

Thanks all for your comments, it was purely a way to look at the sustainability of the site moving forward.

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As I said above, you want the forum to continue, give a few bucks. If you dont care dont and it will likely shutdown.

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18 minutes ago, CJF077 said:

Had to chip in here. The site hosting costs it is on a dedicated server costs over $300 a month without any upgrades, modifications, add ons.

I can assure you this is no cash grab. If it cost $500 a year we would not be having this conversation as advertising would cover the costs more than enough. But we are not.

I think we need to be factual here and not detract from the purpose. I have had offers in the past (in excess of hundreds of thousands of dollars for the site) in which I refused due to the fact that I wanted to keep the community intact. But when it’s coming out of my pocket monthly to keep it afloat, whilst as others have other expenses I need to entertain the option of keeping it running and whether it is indeed worth it.

Thanks all for your comments, it was purely a way to look at the sustainability of the site moving forward.

I can appreciate your position. It's a challenge to keep your heart in something that gets so unceremoniously usurped by a heartless and, arguably, soul stealing entity (being the Faceballs).

 

I wish you lots of luck running through the ideas and am more than happy to look at assistance in the technical arena, should the need arise (I'm a cloud engineer, specialising in HA and scalable infrastructure, currently contracted to the state government for their highest volume site). I expect you've got more than enough technical expertise around you - but the offer stands. I don't want FXT to go anywhere; there's minted information here.

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I don't have an issue with a subscription based model or a yearly to keep the site up.  Only suggestion I have is to make it crazy easy to sign up (ie, paypal or similar)

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I reckon we should get a list of proper regulars and see who's happy to pay what. Would be a good start, considering most of us are happy to donate by the looks of it.

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I think that once you post a pic on facebook, it is no longer your pic. facebook owns it.

I will never trust facebook with any of my details.

a private server is the way to go.

didnt realize this site was in a bit of strife.

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Having ran my own forums for years I would always share the invoices for site costs which people were more than happy to contribute to. No set fee just whatever you could. Xenforo licence + unlimited yearly hosting + name was under $200 a year.

Also had a marketplace with a reasonable capped commission to sell. 

The bare minimum of rules. Swearing and sh*t hanging allowed. 

Also changed to a social media software platform as opposed to the flat bulletin board style. 

Bans were only given out when a certain percentage of users had ignored/blocked that person.

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Clearly your hosting was really cheap/free and/or your site didn't have enough traffic to go over the cheap/free hosting requirements.

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2 hours ago, CJF077 said:

The site hosting costs it is on a dedicated server costs over $300 a month without any upgrades, modifications, add ons.

surely there are cheaper options?

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Based on stated current costs of $300 plus per month on a dedicated server x 12 = $3600 plus update costs etc. 

 

That being the case if we can get 150 people at $24 each =$3600

Any thing over the 150 will help keep updates etc costs covered. 

 

At $24 a year =$2 a month, 50 cents a week. 

Considering the information on this site it beats an annual  magazine subscription easily. 

 

Can we post a survey on the site to see who would be willing to pay the annual "fee" of $24. 

 

Just a thought

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5 minutes ago, bloodycrashboy said:

so why is everyone still talking of donations

we should be talking hosting options

want to achieve a few things:

1. Have an open and honest discussion with the interested parties on how to save money in the every day operation of this forum (which may or may not include the hosting situation). 

2. The details of #1 will be used to analyse the requirements for an on-going optional donation pledge system whereby the main contingent of the forum members can choose to partially support the page at whatever level they feel is comfortable.

3. Any changes the current members may wish to discuss here with regard to the support process in #2 and associated issues/concerns.

 

Everything else is a bit of a free-for-all, but it seems a lot of things are being discussed here :)

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