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The only difference I know of in that area is the fg turbo manifold t3 flange is in a different location.

If you're using a 6 boost manifold with an ex gate that wouldn't matter anyway as you'd be making custom zorsty dump bits.

 

Obviously a different bolt pattern matters but the fg head I used, which came from a gas motor, was the same as the bf head, as far as the manifolds fitting.

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It’s t4 to suit the turbo with 60mm tial gate.

v band on the dump I’m pretty sure. Maybe even 4 bolt.

so all I’d need to do is modify my nizpro dump and plum back for the external gate. 

 

I thibk my brother want to keep his 60mm gate though so maybe for me a 45 or 50 would be better? 

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It depends how much boost you are planning to run and what size turbine housing is on it too.

Being that the hotside is bigger than a stock turbo and the compressor flows a touch less than a gen2 gtx3582r you should be fine with the smaller gate if you have one lying around.

You can't really go wrong with a bigger gate but you can go wrong with a smaller gate.

 

That aside, I haven't used one and it may well benefit from the larger gate as far as exhaust pressure to intake pressure goes.

 

Here is a calculator for figuring this stuff out.

 

This is roughly what it works out to be.

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So what’s an acceptable exhaust manifold to intake manifold ratio?

 

looking at that calculator. Which is about all I did lol 

the turbo specs look right. I messaged my little brother and he had no idea what the turbine a/r is but is certain that it is also twin scroll set up.

 

I did gather from that calculator that maximum was around 34-35mm waste gate to flow enough? 

But yeah better to go over then to be under sized and be on the edge

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That'll vary but 2:1 down to 1:1.

 

While you can calculate and optimise stuff it doesn't have to be perfect.

 

Just slap a 50 or 60mm gate on and be done with it. 

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100 percent. Can’t go wrong there. The old KISS method is the go for me. I’ll keep an eye out for something around that size of my brother goes ahead with his plans

 

Also with boost pressure I am unsure. I’d like to be in the 400 club when I turn it up but would be happy with 350 for everyday commuting. I was tossing up on 12psi or 15psi spring initially with ported flapper mod done. I’ve read some get over 400 with the 12psi spring and others then the flap starts to lift before getting to 400 as well. So yeah this 6boost/Borgy combo has thrown a spanner in the works. I know that set up pulled 550odd rwkw on e85

 

what is better to target? Power figure or boost number? Is there a relationship there for what’s better for my bf2 motor? I always thought that more power made on less boost would be more desirable?

 

or say, 18-20psi and what ever it makes it makes. 

 

Then be worried about the zf input shaft.

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More power on less boost is better to an extent. It depends if you want a super responsive car or are happy to wait a bit with a bigger turbo.

 

Being external gate the whole flapper mod isn't relevant, as this is something done to the internal gate to enlarge it and help it flow better.

 

Spring choice is somewhat of a preference here. If you choose a 15psi spring then the lowest boost you will be able to run will be 15psi. Restrictions can lower this a marginal amount like 1psi, but as a general rule the spring you choose will be your minimum boost.

 

A 12 psi spring will be fine as you can generally get double the boost pressure from the rated spring. If you were to always run higher boost levels then the 15 will be fine too.

As far as the wg opening before the targeted boost there are a bunch of variables that affect this and it's quite a long conversation to get through.

 

You wanna target a power figure but you can't just keep winding boost into a motor if it's not making decent power gains. 

 

You should be in the 400 club on 98 with 19psi give or take. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking my car further than that on 98 as it's kinda on the limit of what the fuel can handle.

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Just remember that bigger turbos can be better for stock engines as they're not making ALL the torque in the midrange where ol mate rodney gets unhappy. As long as you have a good timing setup and oil pump gears, your better off making the majority of your power higher in the rev range. As long as you can deal with the lag though

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So I though I’d suss out this ceramic coating hype. 

This wasn’t a quick adventure by any chance as it took me almost 2 and a half days of scrubbing. Yeah could of been done quicker but every day life kind of gets in the way and some distractions and rest breaks got me in between but over all I am happy with the outcome.

 

Day one consisted of a wash with CarPro reset, decontamination with waxit claybar and concours purify as lube. Followed by another wash with CarPro reset, chamois and blow dry with my 18v Bosch blower. Followed by a final alcohol rub down with CarPro eraser before I had to call it a day.

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Here you can see the the purify working eating away at the iron fallout/particles turning the specs into purple liquid. Combined with the clay bar to lift and remove from the paint work:

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Then another wash with reset:

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Mandatory pic of the brakes. I’ve gown in love with the colour now. Different lighting give it a different “pop”

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Day 2 started off with removing tar and sap with “tarsus” and another alcohol wipe down with CarPro eraser followed by a light compounding with my “mothers professional” random orbital machine using “poorboys world SSR 1.0” as a light swirl remover.

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Another wash with CarPro eraser and then a chamois/blow dry and alcohol rub down before I started with applying Cquartz UK 3.0

 

Shine of 1 coat:

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Then whole goving some time to cure, I got onto the wheels next.

 

This process consisted of “concours purge” reactive wheel cleaner. 

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Almost the same chemical as the “concours purify” only stronger. Same smell but noticeably more potent under the nose. Does an excellent job too.

 

I let sit for a couple minutes and then agitated it with a dish washing brush. When it started to dry I used the garden hose “mist” setting do introduce more moisture and make scrubbing with the dish washing brush easier:

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Then hosed it down to be left with tar..

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to remove the tar I used rags soaked in “autosmart TARDIS”

This stuff works a treat without too much elbo grease. Pretty much sat the wheels up on a wheelie bin to help with my now tight back and legs from squatting. And just went to town on two wheels at a time enjoying the shade.

 

Next up was applying a wheel sealant. I used “McKee’s 37 wheel glaze” after giving the wheels another alcohol rub down with “CarPro eraser”.

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Coated wheels:

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By this stage in the afternoon it was time to go get the kids from day care and then have another crack at the second coat of “Cquartz UK 3.0” when the Mrs got home from work.

After coating again I left I the garage over night to cure.

 

Day 3: Next morning began with a super quick blow and wipe to rid the settled dust particles from over night and then had a wipe down with “CarPro RELOAD”.

 

Pics taken just before lunch time.

Phone photo quality does not do it any justice. Also always going to be hard to capture the gloss on a white car but here’s the outcome. 

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All in all, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a white car as shiny/glossy as mine ever. I know the pics don’t show it but it has to be seen I person to truly understand. 

 

I tried this coating mainly because of its claimed durability. This car lives out in the weather and is my daily drive commuting to work and fetching kids etc.

The true turning points that got me to try was a heap of research and stumbling across these videos on YouTube about the product. 

 

20 way comparison: note 1 year and 8 months..

 

34 way comparison:

 

Those are the current most recent updates but if go through this guys videos you’ll find the start. And the whole process these have been going through..

 

Another video worthy of watching if you are interested in going to this same path. 

 

 

Anyways, Now the test of time will tell if this was all worth while to me. But as it stands right now, I’m extremely happy with the way my car looks now. And keen to see how it’s looks after the first wash in a week or two.

 

cheers, Sam. 

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Excellent write up and post about the wash liquids :spoton:

 

MA77Y vic numberplate (can't remember off the top of my head what his forum name is...) is also a white BA and he takes similarly excellent care of his vehicle :turboboink:

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Awesome! I’ll have to try find his so I can compare hahaha

 

Wouldn’t read about it but my car has already had a sprinkle of rain on it followed by a dust storm and a few more sprinkles today. I’ll see how it looks when I knock off work tonight lol :thumbdown:

 

with a bit of luck hopefully hoses off nicely :dancing:

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Said dust storm:

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Can usually see hills and farmland but currently can only see maybe 800m.

And yeah the car park is straight down there but view is blocked by walkway leading to the boiler house.

 

side note: I’ve found a couple pics of MA77Y car. ebxmple or something. Looks like it’s on vertini fairlady wheels and another of his engine bay which does look sweet with the white cam cover and plenum top. Gave me some ideas for mine when the time comes anyways :happyfriends:

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I live in a similarly dusty place in the mid north of South Australia.

 

I'm interested to see how your efforts translate into keeping the car clean in those conditions.

 

My car is black and needs a wash every two to four days to stop it looking dirty.

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Just belted down rain for 10 mins and the dust has settled down nicely. No longer need to squint and I feel like I breathing some clean air again haha.

yeah I’m definitely interested to see how my car looks now. Have to wait until 18:30-19:00 though..

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Well the rain/dust definitely left my car looking dirty again. Mostly just on the horizontal planes of the car.(bonnet, boot, roof, door handles etc.

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Driving home was different watching the beads of water come tumbling towards me from the bonnet though you could notice the water beads collecting the dirt getting darker in colour before being flung onto the windscreen. 

 

So now I’m home I pull the hose out and give the car a once over. 

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At this point I guess I wasn’t surprised with the outcome. Cleaned up really well. At this point I’m happy. Now to really test how durable it will be and how it turns out after say 5-10 washes with soap.

 

This final photo As the sun was setting. Everything had a bright orange tinge and I thought it looked cool. Photo doesn’t do it justice though. 

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12 hours ago, Puffwagon said:

I live in a similarly dusty place in the mid north of South Australia.

 

I'm interested to see how your efforts translate into keeping the car clean in those conditions.

 

My car is black and needs a wash every two to four days to stop it looking dirty.

I know your pain Nath.

Silhouette black is a painful colour to own. Looks nice clean for about a day after washing and a good chamois.

A good Northerly blows and layer of dust coats my car, And its time to wash it again.

#SilhouetteblackLYF.:rant2:

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Hey mate I just seen you’ve sent mea PM but I’ve also read you’ve got it under control ;) 

 

car looks amazing and there was a certain little fluffy thing that used to have exactly what youve got that hooked me in big time ! 

 

#thosewerethedays 

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Lol cheers jet.

 

if there’s anything in that pm I sent you that you that you would recommend for me to use feel free to let me know. Your input would be valuable.

 

ps. I may be after a compressor cover from you still at this point as I think I’ll be ready for tuning before my brother changes his set up on his f6. So if you don’t mind pm’ing me prices that would be sweet.

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