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Thought I should start my build thread even if its not tuned yet - its sitting in CMS workshop waiting for Joe to get back from the US so close enough.

I have an 08 FG XR6T manual ute in Nitro, had since new and only done 65xxxkm; two reasons for that, a) work is only a 10min drive away, and b) I seem to have some sort of magnet that attracts the po-po...done a couple of stints of passengering in the last few years.

The day I got it I got a set of Ruff Racing R281 wheels & tyres fitted, that was about it for a while...until I had a crack at making a replacement cat back exhaust using 2.5" staino tube and some mufflers I got hold of. It worked ok but didn't have a mandrel bender so cheated and ran it straight along under the driver's side floor rather than in beside the diff...scraped on most large speed humps so annoying as hell :ermm: but it was good experience, (sort of) fun to make...fabricating an exhaust using only ramps under the back wheels to get underneath is way overrated imo..

In Feb 2011 I got rid of my grader spec exhaust and picked up a turbo back xforce exhaust for a good price - 4" dump, 5" cat into twin 2.5" - and fitted it as well as a Growler CAI and Plazmaman cooler piping; then sent it into Tunehouse and got injectors (which turned out to be drilled std squirters) and xcal tube done. On their hub dyno (which tells big porkies I know) it made 345rwkw on 98, guessing would equate to anywhere between 300-315 on a 'real' dyno.

The power felt great, got used to it after awhile but the clutch didn't; a few months later they fitted a Mantic heavy duty clutch, never heard of them but seems to work ok - I'm reasonably mechanically sympathetic anyway - at least until the red mist descends... :oooh: Got the tune tweaked at the same time and it punched out 375rwkw, pretty high even for a hub dyno?! Later I found out it was running 19psi on race tune, but that's another story...I will post up the sheets later

Six months ago the little turbo died.

Wasn't sure what to do, contemplated getting another stock turbo and then selling it, but this forum changed my mind :nod:

New bits:

*3582 from BF with 12lb actuator and flapper upgrade by MTQ (not ported though, had a crack at that myself)

*11 blade billet wheel fitted and balanced by MTQ

*Bosch 1000cc injectors

*Walbro 460 (or ebay copy) intank fuel pump

*KPM fuel reg and wiring relay

*PW stepped cooler - thanks for cash deal Kev!!

*Turbo side intake by me with dirty big K&N

*Plazmaman throttle body elbow

*Custom battery tray - parts supplied by Stigmata / Jon Bailey - thanks again champ!!!!

I fitted the cooler, intake, turbo, battery tray & wiring and throttle elbow over the last few weeks and yesterday dropped it into CMS.

They will fit valve springs, the fuel pump, relay & reg, and Joe will work his magic on the tune when he gets back later this week.

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Well done mate! Car looks great and lovely colour :P

I wish my kms were closer to yours...just cracked 114,000kms :( lol 2008 model too... (my daily commute is 100kms round trip...so stacks the kms bloody quick)

Good luck with the new tune...dyno sheets when done :)

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Hey bud, nah not guilty lol... Must be someone else, mine won't be going on until Saturday

Was booked in a few weeks ago for last Tuesday but Joe got his itinerary mixed up and not back until today lol

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First pic is of original 'race' tune, second is after it was tweaked

gotta love hub dynos :P

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Im booked in for Saturday too! Might have to ring 2moro n double check cause im coming up from canberra so dont want to find mine wont go on the dyno!

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Well the ute is on the dyno at CMS and I'd say the poor bitch would be struggling lol

37degC over at Liverpool right now....intake temps are climbing towards 50deg so Joe will leave it where it is for now and tweak the 98 tune when it goes back for eflex tune :yeahyeah:

Even so, 357rwkw at 15psi is nothing to sneeze at, can't wait to pick it up later this arvo ;)

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40deg out there now so didn't have too many expectations...but she still pulls pretty hard...considering tuned on caltex 98, the heat out there and peaking at 15-16psi

Can't wait to go back and get eflex tune done and smash in 20lb... ;)

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Hey bud....forgot to ask you this the other day.

What intercooler piping are you running at the moment????? I notice in the beginning you had the plazmaman piping (stage 2 I assume?) and then you said you bought the stepped PW stage 1?

So hot side piping in the pic above (second post, second pic) looks like the Plaz stage 2...but the cold side looks like PW stage1/2 piping????

This pic below shows the stage 3 cooler (so slightly fatter piping) and looks like it just clears the plaz turbo side kit.... but yeah...interested to know what you have at the moment (I.e. do you have the plaz hot side piping and the PW cold side piping and the PW cooler inlet matches the Plaz hot side piping???)

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Cheers!!!!

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Now you've confused me lol

Cooler pipework I got off ebay about 3 years ago, guy who was selling plaz stuff (called coolerworks I think?) but I don't know what 'stage' it is, would've said stage 1?

But a quick look at plaz website says to me that plaz stage 1 and 2 hot side are the same, only cold side is larger diameter?

So I'd say its plaz stage 1 piping.

PW stage 1 & 2 piping are the same from memory, which would match plaz stage 1 full kit or plaz stage 2 hot side only

I think. :wild:

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Sorry bud! hahaha....

So what you did was buy coolerworx kit years ago.....and then when you bought the new PW stepped cooler...you only bought the core only yeah?

It just sucks a fat one cause the PW stage 1/2 will just clear...apparently literally 5mm or something (but I prefer the Plaz/coolerworx clearance as it looks better and not all cramped up) if that makes sense :)

It sucks cause IDK if coolerworx has gone out of business...as I cannot find them on ebay anymore and even google searching doesnt come up with anything :( ... I know their kits were 450ish back in the day and that would be a perfect option for me now.

But yeah the Plaz stage 1 has the hot side piping that doesn't clear the plaz turbo side, therefore you need to buy stage 2 or 3 (which in black is like $830 or something obscene). Oh well....I will figure something out I guess as its my issue and dont want it cluttering up your thread :)

so yeah...cheers for the help! also nice figure on the new assembled almost GTX3582 and good luck with your eflex tune later :P

P.S. did you notice the increased lag from going from the GT3576 to the GTX3582? I read a lot of people miss the instant boost of the baby turbo - once they go for the GT3582 or the GTX...

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Looks like it! Plaz stage 1 is purely OEM replacement...but coolerworx has the hot side piping that will clear turbo side kit.

I believe Bomber was saying that coolerworx used to make plazmaman piping or something like that?....so they are similar.

What I am thinking will work is if I can buy the Plaz stage 2 hot side piping...and then buy the stage 1 cold side piping and that would be similar to the coolerworx setup I rekon. Or better yet Plaz stage 2 hot side and PW stage 1/2 cold side (as that has the 2.75" cold side pipe near the TB) - but dunno how keen Kev will be to sell half a piping kit lol

I will see how the prices go....but if its too close to the stage 2 piping price...I may as well just go that (and not worry about buying the throttle body elbow). meh....#stingyblokeproblems

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Bit of an update on this thing, been too lazy to lately

Short version:

Got it re-tuned in May, ended up with a bit over 380 on 98 and 438 on e85

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Anybody with eyes can see that there's a few lumps and bumps on the graph, and I'm aware of that but thanks anyway...actually feels pretty smooth :P

I know the clutch is now copping a hiding, can slip make a difference to the charts? Not real hard to get it to slip in 4th on either tune

Also got built tailshaft installed, had some dramas with vibration etc at higher road speeds as well as under load

It's in someone else's thread somewhere on here, but tried adding 5mm to the 15mm centre bearing spacers they come with - apparently this has worked before - but no good.

It was sent back to Gibsons, rebalanced and came back with...40mm long spacers. Hmm!

Anyway, was re-fitted yesterday by the boys at CMS and yeah heaps better.

You're still conscious of what's happening back there, little bit of noise under load but huge improvement, thanks guys.

I did find out that autos keep their rubber drive coupler when fitting a built tailshaft, while manuals get it taken out, which is possibly why others with autos and a built tailshaft say they can't feel much if any difference.

Way more confidence knowing that there's something solid back there now, most driveline slop gone and hard 3-4 shifts no longer feel like something is gonna sh*t itself...apart from the clutch lol

Old and new

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This morning started work around 4am, took the private road route...running e85 right now so had a quick 3-4 hit...fair amount of clutch slip when hitting 4th but could be worse

The street lights were video-shopped in for effect

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Next step is to get the clutch upgraded sometime, the Mantic twin plate is hanging in there but only just.

Was looking at the xtreme twin plate organic, for the price it's hard to go past. Scott from Western Clutch in St Marys was recommended by NPC as their installer around this way and heard many other good things about him - he built and installed the clutch in Brett Luland's crazy GT, so in good hands there.

He has priced me to supply and test the xtreme twin plate kit and ARP bolts, balance flywheel and do the install for $2250 - I can't go past that

But now bjacobs has sort of got me thinking about the ceramic twin plate xtreme option which will definitely take more abuse...decisions..

Can a mod please move this thread to the 400 section?

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If your clutch was slipping when it was tuned then yes, it can affect the load points, what it made on the day is what it made so its not as if the tune is wrong or anything. But probably a good idea to get it touched up when you get a new clutch as it will most likely affect the way it loads up.

If your clutch was 100% at the time of tune, then you farked it. Different story.

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You will hate your car if you go ceramic on the street.

Yeh I was thinking that initially

Just that bjacobs was saying how he drove his mate's F6 with ceramic xtreme and wasnt too bad.

Think I'll be sticking with the organic though, want to keep my sanity in M5 traffic if necessary.

If your clutch was slipping when it was tuned then yes, it can affect the load points, what it made on the day is what it made so its not as if the tune is wrong or anything. But probably a good idea to get it touched up when you get a new clutch as it will most likely affect the way it loads up.

If your clutch was 100% at the time of tune, then you farked it. Different story.

Doubt it was 100% at the time, even with previous 357rwkw tune it sometimes slip if on a hard 3-4 change.

I'll be interested to see how it goes on the rollers with a decent clutch

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Pulled a ceramic out of a customers car ( That failed ) and replaced it with a organic one and the Guy fell in love with his car again.

He couldnt believe the difference after putting up with the ceramic for 6 months.

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It was actually in a well modified ve gts with 418ci and close enough to 400rwkw and the twin plate ceramic was ( believe it or not )replaced with the factory 7.0l organic clutch assy and still in use

to this day after using m/t streets and a engine rebuild .

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Been a while since I touched this thread

 

While ago had another fuel pump feed line drama which was sorted with proper e85 rated Teflon gear

 

Got a new twin plate NPC clutch put in about 6 months ago now, details elsewhere on the forum

Pics for anyone remotely interested

 

Old clutch - twin plate Mantic

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New NPC

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Basically it has one organic plate and one ceramic

Bit trickier to take off smoothly now it's properly bedded in, but taken everything I've thrown at it....

 

...which brings me to my diff. For a while now there's been a lot of slop in it at low speed, would lurch coming on to / off the tiniest bit of throttle, the new clutch made it even more noticeable as it doesn't have much slip

Also started a bit of single spinning every now and then

Took it to D&R Diffs in Chipping Norton a couple of days ago, after a drive they diagnosed ring gear wear

Re-build priced at $650 + gst seemed alright to me after a bit of a search and a few phone calls

 

I messaged jet yesterday about a truetrac centre and he was able to give me a very decent price, so have bitten the bullet...thanks jet!!

Hopefully it won't be too long before I can wrap my greedy hands around it :)

 

By back end has more dramas that need attention that just the diff, it tramps fairly easily now

 

In a back room at work I have this bunch of stuff waiting to be thrown at it...

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Yeh SSLs on their own will just make the tramp worse...maybe!

But hey got the almost brand new leaves for $450 rather than $800+ so can't complain, plus always wanted it lower.

Coils I got from a friend for $120, and the Konis I picked up about 18 months ago from Pat aka SennaT for a great price 

 

I'm hopeful the shocks will help with the tramp, also considering machining some solid plates instead of using the superpro leaf bushes after a read of this thread on AFF

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11391011&page=11

 

Will have to shorten my centre bearing spacers as well to suit the changed pinion angle

 

But most of all I'd love to get my hands on a set of mal wood tramp rods and make some of my own

 

 

 

 

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