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Tune N/a Xr6 That Is The Question?

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Hi all,

Has anyone tuned there fg xr6 n/a? if so what computer

(eg:kappa flash) did you use? what other mods did you have?

& after all was said and done was it worth it?

cheers...

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What is wrong with Kappa flash tune?


in the past this is what everybody usto use on the turbos (at least version 1 & then 2 not to sure how ver.3 went never had any experience with it)


at least I thought if its good for the turbos even easyer for the n/a ??


Anyway, what are people using? what mods? and what power has been acheived??



Cheers..


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Jett- there are plenty of entries on the forum on this. On an N/A FG, it seems that ( from the manual) you can go from a factory 195 on 91 octane to 198 ( and 409NM of torque)on 95 octane with the stock exhaust. After that, you need a full system with some extractors and a 98 tune to get an estimated 212 - 215 at the engine. The FG has a better VCT than the the earlier

cars and better cams - duo phased. As a guide, there are BA/BF's with a reported 170 - 172 at the wheels with tune, good exhaust and underdrive pulleys - and I am not getting into any debate about the value of underdrives.( plenty already on the forum).

Generic tunes are just so terrific. I had one on my T..... 2 seconds later it went back for a real tune to get rid of the sh1tty idle, surge on starting, and inconsistent power delivery. The tuner showed me a look at the AFR's - too lean at the top end = trouble. Tuning has come a long way and what you get from a custom tune is a good result for YOUR car.

Of course, the factory uses one "generic" download - but they are conservative, reported as occasionally updated and must cater for the idiot factor inbuilt into some vehicle owners.

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I had my 2011 FG N/A tuned using the SCT flash tuner. I used it to clean up the standard Ford settings not to increase horsepower. At this stage of have had the idle lowered, the transmission shift points changed, the pressure of the upshifts increased and adjustments made to the throttle to make it more responsive.

Car now feels a lot more cleaner to drive with increased response through the pedal and quicker harder gear changes.

All of the changes that have been made where done by driving and adjusting not by dyno. It would have been nice to have it dyno tuned so I could see what power it was making but that was just going to cost way too much.

Plans are to dyno tune it at a later date when I add a Herrod air box exhaust and extractors.

Car currently runs on 98 PULP fuel so I expect that it could be making a claimed 198KW and 408 NM of torque.

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Spending money modifying an NA XR6 is like paying for your 40 year old wife to get bolt ons. Better, but still a waste of money.

Just sell it and buy a turbo if you want to go faster.

And if you're on your P's and can't buy a turbo, then save the money until you're off your P's and then sell it and get a turbo, you'll be happier in the long run.

Myself and no doubt plenty of others have thrown $000's at NA 6's and never gotten what we wanted - it's just a waste of money.

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Speak for urself .......... A fat 6 with comp cams, xorst and all the bits sounds awesome and goes good enough. Buy a turbo, you'll still want more anyway. Be happy with what u got and make the most of it.

Feels cool when u smoke an 8 and they ask what u driving......

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Tuning options:

XCAL 2 unlocked, generic or custom tune

SCT XCAL 3 unlocked, generic or custom tune

VCM Suite tune

Sniper box, generic or custom tune

XCAL 1 boxes are outdated and tuners are unable to upload tunes to it. Some tuners can download the old tune via VCM suite, but you it will be missing some parameters.

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On 2013/8/22 at 9:28 PM, acclaim6 said:

I had my 2011 FG N/A tuned using the SCT flash tuner. I used it to clean up the standard Ford settings not to increase horsepower. At this stage of have had the idle lowered, the transmission shift points changed, the pressure of the upshifts increased and adjustments made to the throttle to make it more responsive.

Car now feels a lot more cleaner to drive with increased response through the pedal and quicker harder gear changes.

All of the changes that have been made where done by driving and adjusting not by dyno. It would have been nice to have it dyno tuned so I could see what power it was making but that was just going to cost way too much.

Plans are to dyno tune it at a later date when I add a Herrod air box exhaust and extractors.

Car currently runs on 98 PULP fuel so I expect that it could be making a claimed 198KW and 408 NM of torque.

Hey mate, I'm thinking of getting the same thing done with the SCT flash tuner to make the gear changes more responsive. Can you spare some ideas on how to get this done properly?

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On 8/23/2013 at 12:24 PM, Danimal said:

Spending money modifying an NA XR6 is like paying for your 40 year old wife to get bolt ons. Better, but still a waste of money.

Just sell it and buy a turbo if you want to go faster.

And if you're on your P's and can't buy a turbo, then save the money until you're off your P's and then sell it and get a turbo, you'll be happier in the long run.

Myself and no doubt plenty of others have thrown $000's at NA 6's and never gotten what we wanted - it's just a waste of money.

:stupid:

 

also, :Welcome2FordXR6t:

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anybody who does ZF tunes can do it... but it's not worth it the cost/time to do it on an N/A, imho.

If you're 100% on it, check out the location-specific forums for your location and go to the recommended tuner threads and ring around to the places mentioned to decide which is the best one for you and your specific requirements.

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Tuner will use the SCT Xcal (3 or higher) to load tweaked tables for the TCM

 

Maybe about $350 for the transmission only tune and about the same again for a 2nd hand Xcal (off the top of my head)

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Cheers mate, heaps of thanks!!! Can I tune the transmission myself or better off with a tuner

 

8 minutes ago, k31th said:

anybody who does ZF tunes can do it... but it's not worth it the cost/time to do it on an N/A, imho.

If you're 100% on it, check out the location-specific forums for your location and go to the recommended tuner threads and ring around to the places mentioned to decide which is the best one for you and your specific requirements.

Cheers mate. Wonder how they charge for such a tune. If it costs more than $1000, then I'll sell the NA xr6 and get a turbo

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Not unless you already have the knowledge and want to pay for the licenses/hardware to do so, then even attempting to tune it yourself is going to end in expensive tears.

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1 minute ago, k31th said:

Not unless you already have the knowledge and want to pay for the licenses/hardware to do so, then even attempting to tune it yourself is going to end in expensive tears.

I'll probably take it to the professionals, cheers mate

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You can do it with hp tuners (and other flash tuners) but it'll cost more to buy it than to just pay to get the trans tuned.

 

Even if you had hp tuners for free you'd still be doing a lot of research to understand how the trans works and what each of the hundreds of tables do. This is not an overnight study or even a week long study for a beginner.

 

It's much easier to pay someone to do it for you.

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Cheers, I'm thinking of learning how to tune the gearbox, but will probably take it to the tuner for the time being. And what tables are you referring to by the way? I'm completely new to tuning and keen to learn and do heaps of research through a long period of time.

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