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40 minutes ago, HI PSI said:

Dale Hilier has indicated that it will be around 3 - 3.5k abd that it has built in Lambda.

How do they see this placed in the market? Xcals are only around $1000 and give most of the same functionality save the flex sensor

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Most of the elite 2000 series with a patch harness are  $2500 and most of the elite 2500 series with a patch harness are $3k.

 

The 3 to 3.5 estimate could well be on the money.

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$3000-3500 is a bit rich for the average bloke whose not going out to set record times.

Probably a bit rich for the blokes who are! Given what has already been achieved with standard PCM.

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I agree. For a high end setup, sure. But for me, while live tuning would be great, $3500 gets me PCMTec, the obd cable, a zorst, valve springs and an intercooler...

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If it does what I've been longing for with instant switching LPG/PULP tunes I'll definitely be having a good look into it.

 

Will probably be due come tax (return) time to spend a bit on the car (I use it as my "annual bonus" - get a different big ticket item each year with it)

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LOL same.

Performance car parts distributors like RPM & Tuners Edge must love tax time every year. Every car enthusiast, regardless of preference, comes in for an ATO funded upgrade:dancing:

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12 hours ago, FiftyOne said:

How do they see this placed in the market? Xcals are only around $1000 and give most of the same functionality save the flex sensor

I find it amazing that everyone has been complaining for years about the lack of options, and when one presents itself they complain about the price. 

 

I've just had my car rewired again, as I wanted to modify my harness and delete the factory PCM. Think about the costs involved with supplying a unit and making a harness, compared to the new replacement Elite 2500. Let alone having  FREE  tuning software with the package...  The price comparison would be comparable to still running HP or SCT......

 

The biggest problem now, is that anyone with an Elite can tune and modify their own tunes. This will undoubtedly affect the income of some performance shops in the short term. But will increase workloads for engine builders, as more engines will be damaged/destroyed by amateur tuners.. The cycle will go full circle.

 

15 hours ago, k31th said:

Live tuning is something that we've always wanted, but will not get, I don't think, due to the slow data rate into and out of the physical hardware. Same thing with as hardware limitations to power, the same thing happens with data rates :rtfm:

Dale has confirmed that it is a replacement unit and has live tuning.

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4 hours ago, HI PSI said:

I find it amazing that everyone has been complaining for years about the lack of options, and when one presents itself they complain about the price. 

 

I think it's not so much about the price and more about what real world benefits the extra cost provides for the majority of tuned street cars. Pcmtec are doing boost by gear in the ba/bf/early fg's and with flex fuel in development it will be a hard one to overlook.

 

A supply, fit and tune of the Haltech will cost around 4 grand give or take, and the average joe in their 300rwkw street car just isn't going to see where their money went, compared to flash tuning.

 

It doesn't mean that it is overpriced or not worth it but it would have to be priced much lower to get people to swap over. New customers will be a different story I think.

 

Haha that said I would swap anyway cos #racecar, if it was a higher priority on my things to buy list.

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a comma :)

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4 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

I think it's not so much about the price and more about what real world benefits the extra cost provides for the majority of tuned street cars.

Yeah basically this.   I can justify the $1000 + maybe? $1000 cost for a very reputable tuner to do the job.  For upwards of 3, plus I still need to take it to get the tune done at cost, not to mention the fact if I can't plug it straight in with a base map that just works (which won't always be the case for what some builds will be; that starts to get expensive.
But will reserve final judgement on what the reviews are and the actual price when released.

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you didnt read my reply did you

 

On 23/05/2018 at 7:50 PM, Ford Freak said:

the wolf doesnt support the 6 speed I was taking the piss

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Im hopefully going to eventually pick one up, Shame about the price though, 1k more than all the rest of the plug in ECU's. Flex fuel is awesome, Plus it allows BA cams to be tuned individually like the BF I believe.  

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On-board wideband controller is great too. Less stuffing around with wiring and setting up software etc.

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6 hours ago, tazzanz said:

Wait till the nz dealers tax it up lol. Worth it though, all the safety features too.

Fly over, dinner with the forum, get unit, fly home

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16 hours ago, tazzanz said:

Im hopefully going to eventually pick one up, Shame about the price though, 1k more than all the rest of the plug in ECU's. Flex fuel is awesome, Plus it allows BA cams to be tuned individually like the BF I believe.  

That's still a large price difference for that ability.  Plus you need to buy the flex kit on top of that too.  

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