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Hey lads

 

Happy new year soon! But car parts is life lol.

So I am in dire need for new rear rotors and brake pads all round as I'm getting heavy shudder, I took it into a mechanic who put front dba t3 rotors on and new crap repco brake pads all round and have been back 4 times to try and figure out why the shudder. I got the rear stock brembo rotors machined, no help. I gave up on mechanics and decided just to do things myself. I changed them out with another set of second hand rotors, no go too. So I'm just going to change them out with some new DBA t3 rear rotors and brake pads all round and see if that fixes it. 

 

However I've done some research on brake pads and HOLY sh*t there is a lot to choose from! So my question is to all the barra gods out there is, where should I start??? I'm heavy on the brakes often but no track days as of yet and I hate hate hate brake dust!!! I have learnt ceramic is the way to go for little brake waste and am willing to pay a bit extra to get good performance with no rim muck........

 

I'm in Brisbane, has anyone had any dealings with Brakes direct? or know anywhere that does rotors and brake pads at a reasonable price?

P.s. I've got 4 pot brembo fronts and 1 pot OEM rear.

 

Cheers

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After having ultimates for a year I wouldn't buy them again. They stop great on the street but the dust is out of control.

 

Despite what some may say they are not suitable for any track work at all. One lap of collie race track and they were fading, 3 laps and when I came off all 8 were literally smoking, and basically no longer working, every time I went out.

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Personally I would not use the QFM8000.  This pad does not just leave dust. It will leave a glue residue down the side of your car which is difficult to get off. Its a big job to remove and I have yet to clean it off after two years. They do not last very long but they do grip. I only used them on the front.

 

After that I put some DS2000 which are not too bad, less dusty than the Bendix that I used for many years and less aggressive on the disc.

 

Got to replace my rears so looking if anything new out there, otherwise DS2000 or ultimates

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Pmu’s are by far the least dusty pad on the open market with any kind of performance base and I’ve found NOTHING even close to dust levels of that the 400’s deliver. Reports say the Pmu800’s are just as clean and better high temp stable (obviously) but cold bit might not be as good as the 400’s 

 

ive fitted out now countles xr6T’s with the T3/400 combo and the performance is brilliant ( for a street set up ) and I believe many of the reffered users of this package has had nothing but amazing things to be said about the upgrade 

 

I have one customer who NEVER washes his ute and I’m amazed every time he comes back in with just how little there is on his silver Argents, that being said I’ve got the Project Mu ns400’s on the back of my R8 and even on a big rotor 383mm 4pot set up the dust is genuine nil and I really have never seen a pad with such performance ( for a street pad ) and cleanliness ever 

 

I’ve never had a customer that’s just into “hills” or high speed driving so I can’t comment on it’s dust or performance when temps are maintained to a high level but I believe that’s then not really a “street” pad and more of a track based environment and most would agree and this isn’t what you’re asking about Chad 

 

Braking is a subjective topic as everyone is clearly different in what they think is normal or track and then again if you haven’t bed in a pad correctly or if you have a draging caliper the experience is skewed as that pad isn’t working within correct parameters but the dust topic is a big one for nearly every punter and I’m waiting to try a pad with less dust ever and then the performance to complete the arrangement :) 

 

I should be on the pay roll for Pmu but honestly I get the privilege ( maybe lol ) to have many customer cars delivered with everything you can think of brake combo wise and nothing comes close to what I recommend and fit ( for street duties ) 

 

The best brakes ever would have to be a close Alcon Mono block ~10k vs Harrop Ultimates ~7k and yes I’ve driven both these arrangements including my own F6 brembos and now my R8 AP racing 6/4’s so I like to think I’ve been exposed to a wide variety from shocking to the best ?

 

just sayn .... ;) 

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Jet supplied me with T3 rotors and PMU 400 pads and everything he has ever said about them is correct

I installed braided lines at the same time and I couldn't be happier with how good the brakes are now, this really is a great combo!!

Also a major note that most people forget, brakes are only as good as your tyres

If your a tight ass and always throw Chinese tyres on it really defeats the purpose of your brake upgrade

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I ve had genuine brembo pads which didnt last long and were very dusty.

Had qfm pads, not sure on the specifics but their mod range pad, and they were good till they wore down to about half and developed a squeal and shudder.

Ended up replacing them with the pmu400s and they are great. I dont find the dust to be bad at all and is better than what ive had but I got black rims so there is that.

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Personally I would not use the QFM8000.  This pad does not just leave dust. It will leave a glue residue down the side of your car which is difficult to get off. Its a big job to remove and I have yet to clean it off after two years. They do not last very long but they do grip. I only used them on the front.
 
After that I put some DS2000 which are not too bad, less dusty than the Bendix that I used for many years and less aggressive on the disc.
 
Got to replace my rears so looking if anything new out there, otherwise DS2000 or ultimates


Great advice about the QFM8000, was looking at them for my next set.

Still surprised at the beating the Ferrodo DS2500 front and DS performance rear pads on the Brembo 4 pot / PBR single can take.

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QFM 8000 are the best pads I  have ever used cold and at the track

 

The pmu  400 don't perform that well cold and when you beat them hard they overheat and fade 

 

But for folks that drive like a pussy , they are probably fine 

 

Just check the coefficient of friction of each.  That tells the story. 

 

You can't have brake pads that perform and make FA dust 

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I probably do drive like a pussy because I daily my car and im not on the anchors pulling the car up on its nose every traffic light. 

So for a daily a low wearing low dust and easy on the rotor pad and gives good feel is exactly what I want personally.

If I tracked my car id have seperate pads for that.

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5 hours ago, arronm said:

QFM 8000 are the best pads I  have ever used cold and at the track but can spew bonding material out once hot down the side of your car 

 

The pmu 400’s perform the same as standard OE pads cold and when you beat them hard they overheat and fade but again much better high temperature handling than standard but they’re not track pads so don’t think they are 

 

But for folks that drive normal and occasionally hit a few late entry corners they are probably fine 

 

Just check the coefficient of friction of each.  That tells the story. 

 

You can finally have brake pads that perform to a street level and make FA dust 

FTFY 

 

you're about the only person I know who either drives his car WOT everywhere or 100% on the ABS ..... seems a bit hard to believe you can’t appreciate a good street arrangement in any case

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I agree they are low dust

 

But the 8000 pads will out perform the 400 even when cold.   And when hot they are exceptional 

 

Just dusty.  I don't settle.  I am get the best for the job 

 

And I don't drive WOT 100%  just probably more than others 

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what you mean I cant have great performing pads that have no dust, great cold bite, stop on a dime, use at the track, no noise, no squeal, last forever, cheap and wont chew my rotors!

 

bs these pads do exist.  

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I have the DBA t3 4000 rotors and the Project Mu HC800 pads on my G6ET, braking performance is great and I am super happy with it, however brake dust on the HC800s is quite bad, I have head the PMu NS400 pad have way less dust but don't quite perform as well.

 

if I clean my car and wheels on the weekend by the next weekend the wheels are visually covered with dust. I think I will try the NS400 next time, but I wouldnt use another other brand than the Project Mu stuff have always used there pads. and as for the rotors the DBA T3 4000 cant be beaten for value.

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