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ZF conversion into older car, is it possible?

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Hey guys, so as the title says im just wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to swap a zf auto into a car that is say 30 years old and get it to actually run. I'm more worried about getting the zf to work than the motor because I know we can get the motor to run. Is there a way to get the standard computer to run the zf and the motor in a completely different car or does the computer not like playing the game? If not the standard computer, is there something aftermarket that would allow the zf and barra to run happily.

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Nothing is impossible....

 

lots and lots needs to be pulled from a zf donor vehicle and shoehorned into the classic vehicle 

 

nothing aftermarket can control the ZF 

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It won't unfortunately. Although mechanically similar the brain in the 6r80 is quite different. It would be far more cost effective to use a factory setup modified to suit.

 

17 minutes ago, JETURBO said:

Nothing is impossible....

 

lots and lots needs to be pulled from a zf donor vehicle and shoehorned into the classic vehicle 

 

nothing aftermarket can control the ZF 

It can be done with just the PCM and wiring for the trans. transplanting into an older chassis that doesn't require BEM or ABS integration is a much easier task.

 

 

OP it's entirely possible, as always best to start with a donor vehicle and make sure whoever you use understands the conversion otherwise the cost will rack up very very quickly.

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21 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

It would be far more cost effective to use a factory setup modified to suit.

 

I think that if using a zf is mandatory then this bit of info is the take home here.

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53 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

http://www.usshift.com/usq6.shtml

 

This can control the 6r80. It might not be too hard to adapt it.

Looking at this in detail it looks like a nice piece of kit, however someone would need to be willing to strip the TCM from a 6hp26 and rewire to run off the standalone controller (the unit is designed to run a 2011+ 6r80 which doesn't have an integral TCM) but the major flaw I see for us is all the mapping is TPS based load not MAP based. As we know with a turbo car under 100% TPS, TPS and Load don't always correlate.

Edited by Ralph Wiggum

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Even that issue aside it wouldn't be a cheap exercise running a standalone trans controller alongside a Haltech or similar ecu. Even if one was to wire/install/tune it themselves there would be stuff all change from $4000 if any.

This is the same place as the first link I posted.

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Hey far north Queensland fisher, some pics of the engine bay would back up your wild claims. Hahaha.

Only joking mate. :mosking:

 

Pretty sweet piece of classic steel married to a trick modern engine/ trans combo.

Welcome to the forum as well champ.

Go The Storm. Hehe. :panda:

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14 hours ago, fnqfisher71 said:

Have one in my XP coupe behind a BF f6 typhoon engine

Just out of curiosity, did Dave at cpv give you a hand with this? 

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No. Dave hasn't given me a hand with this one. Would love to get him to tune it one day though.

 

12 minutes ago, JETURBO said:
Nice build mate 
 
what’s the details on the electronics ?

Factory ECU and modified factory harness. Wheel speed sensor fitted to rear via abs module. This is a must to get the ZF to work correctly.

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So essentially you are using the abs module as a signal converter? 

 

The system can be setup with an aftermarket hall effect sensor and the correct tone ring to avoid using the abs module.

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You can get aftermarket controllers for the ZF, I have looked into it, but it is very expensive, DTM automotive in Melbourne are a company listed as a supplier for it, I've discussed it with them but it is expensive

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7 hours ago, fnqfisher71 said:

Still havevto make a console for the shifter9e84194a0e057db76d05b03ccb30ee4a.jpgcc74aa5729f13784cd66457e17e0a07e.jpg0266cb21465f3962db736407da4f7e30.jpg

I love this rig.

Makes me wish I never sold my XY ute all those years ago. :tear2:

 

You know you have a special build when ya have lads like Ralph and Jet asking ya questions.

Definitely one trick XP.

Good work mate...

Edited by Box stock T.

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My uncles done the exact same thing as fnqfisher but into a mid 80s F150. Territory front suspension, fg ute rear end, barra270 and zf. He's using an fg cluster retro fitted to make everything a bit easier too

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