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Bf Injectors With Good Spray Pattern For 300-350Rwkw

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Sorry for making yet another injector thread, but I can't seem to find any consensus or the information I need from a search.

I am looking to make 300rwkw on a BF XR6T with the possibility to run E85 and make a maximum of 350rwkw in the future. I do not want to compromise on idle or low load performance, so if this means going a smaller injector size and not ever going to E85 then that is ok.

I have seen a few injectors mentioned multiple times, ID 1000cc and siemens 60lb (600cc??), which injector has the best spray pattern that does not mean compromising on fuel economy and idle yet will make this sort of power. Also which (if any) injectors bolt straight in with no modifications, I am happy to modify the rail but would prefer bolt in injectors.

Do FG and BA/BF all use the same fuel rail?

Also cost is a factor eg if they are only slightly better but cost double I don't think I would purchase them, but if it means getting a bolt in example then I would be happy to pay more.

So what do people recommend?

Thanks

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I've seen cars making mid 300's with the siemans 60's. I've also spoken to tuners that all say the 1000's are the go as they can be setup to idle & drive like normal ones pretty easy. I'm planning a build much like what you're looking for power wise (98 only), initially I was set on 60's but I'm thinking now about 1000's. ID also make 875's & 750's which I think would be far better suited size wise but there are people out there using them so can't be all bad. If your interested in a set of 60's let me know

Rails are different between f's & b's

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Sorry for making yet another injector thread, but I can't seem to find any consensus or the information I need from a search.

I am looking to make 300rwkw on a BF XR6T with the possibility to run E85 and make a maximum of 350rwkw in the future. I do not want to compromise on idle or low load performance, so if this means going a smaller injector size and not ever going to E85 then that is ok.

I have seen a few injectors mentioned multiple times, ID 1000cc and siemens 60lb (600cc??), which injector has the best spray pattern that does not mean compromising on fuel economy and idle yet will make this sort of power. Also which (if any) injectors bolt straight in with no modifications, I am happy to modify the rail but would prefer bolt in injectors.

Do FG and BA/BF all use the same fuel rail?

Also cost is a factor eg if they are only slightly better but cost double I don't think I would purchase them, but if it means getting a bolt in example then I would be happy to pay more.

So what do people recommend?

Thanks

Hi

We can offer our KPM injector range

They are a direct fit to your BA-FG models

KPM550cc Injectors supports 300-350 rwkw Petrol $99 ea

KPM1000cc supports 450 rwkw petrol / E85 $99ea

For the BA-FG you will need 6 x electrical US-Bosch adaptor $10 ea

Our injectors are Bosch EV14 enhanced , matched tested and data generated by KPM

We believe that we have the best offering for injectors in Australia,

Best pricing

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Correct data for all Australian models

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Are the KPM550cc the GT500 injector with the six hole director plate or something different?. If they are the 52lb GT500 injector they need to be installed the right way due to the bent angle spray pattern.

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Bruce from Heinrich Performance and Tuning said he likes using the 60lb siemens injectors, what is the general opinion of these, are they a new generation injector with a good spray pattern?

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If they are in LBs pretty good indication they aren't exactly current gen.

The standard is id1000s. They give a great spray pattern. Idle like stock and are good for 450rwkw on e85.

I haven't heard anything bad about KPMs either

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Why is that, isn't that just an american thing eg hp vs kw?

I personally haven't heard anything good (or bad) from them, however the IDs I have heard lots of good so I'm still up in the air.

WIth the ID's what mods are required to fit them also what kind of money am I looking at?

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Plus one for the 1000cc iD's over the 60lb units.. Amazing how a thing that can potentially deliver that amount of fuel can deliver such great idle (IMO better than factory) and overall throttle response. Get the right part and they are a routine install for a good shop. Bux wise - shopping time.

Americans ....... feet/inches/yards... lbs..... fluid ounces / quarts/ gallons ( not even an imperial gallon ) ........ bit arcane...?

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Ok thanks guys, from some more googling it sounds like they are the way to go, installation wise what is required from you guys who have fitted them, mod the rail or they install with spacers?

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Are the KPM550cc the GT500 injector with the six hole director plate or something different?. If they are the 52lb GT500 injector they need to be installed the right way due to the bent angle spray pattern.

No.

They are a Bosch EV14 4 hole director plate style suited perfectly for the 4 valve BA-FG turbo engines.

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Siemens 60lb are still a great injector and cheap! My old BA turbo I used to own has them fitted as does my f6x and allot of friends with fg turbos also and all idle nicely and provide power to 400rwkw no problems on 98oct but most of these were tuned by CPV.

If injectors were bought to suit a B series (longer injector) then you can use washers to space the fuel rail as from memory the two arms that bolt the fuel rail down are shorter on FG models?

The ID1000's seem the popular in thing now!

Overall I would be going with whatever your tuner is happy to use majority of the time and recommends...

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Without know all the ins and outs of an injector, ive had both the 60lb and id1000. In all honesty couldn't tell difference at all, apart from the fuel economy was better with the 60lb. No idea why

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My experience with the 60's is that they have to be flow matched by a reputable supplier. My fuel economy with the 60's and the 1000's was same same....or at least not much in it.

The Siemens Deka 60's have a 4 hole director plate but are a 30 degree conical spray. If KPM's are a twin spray, these could be a good choice but if you're using e10 or P100 etc then you're going to be close to maxing them out I'd imagine.

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So took my car to get tuned with ID1000 and they are refusing to fit them as they said they leak because of the spacers they come with. I bought them from an ID supplier and are the real deal.

Has anyone heard of this?

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Yeah pretty annoyed to be honest.

I called herrodmotorsport (their supplier for the software they use) and they laughed as well, said tell them you bought from us and if they still don't want to use them tell them to call us. After I said that they went "oh ok, normally these are chinese ones that leak and have lots of trouble with them", not that confidence inspiring as they are extremely common and afaik no one in china has managed to copy bosch injectors to date.

If they weren't halfway through installing other bits I would have gone somewhere else.

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If you don't mind saying, ( which I'm sure you won't) where is the car being done?

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